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   Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:23:45 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
   There's a thought
   
   Woman gets an abortion? Charge the father with a felony.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:23:44 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff >Woman gets an abortion? Charge the father with a felony.
     If women are formally declared as lacking agency or autonomy then sure. Otherwise that's just gynocentric pissearth garbage.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:29:51 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff I don't know what this is from, but the concept if applied to today would just be another way to punish men.
     >Woman decides to have abortion in secret
     >Father goes to jail even though he wanted the child
     no perverse incentive visible to you sticking out like a spot light??
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:29:52 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     @BowsacNoodle Blackstone, gynocentric pissearth garbage, really?
     
     It puts the onus on the person who actually can prevent abortion, especially by pregnancy-by-rape. The man. Seems sensible enough.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:36:37 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     • skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:
     @skylar @jeffcliff I don't know what Blackstone is. Is that jewish? They like the word stone and its variants.
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:36:38 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff i don't think the oil analysis lab actually said that about abortion
     i think jeff cliff just made it up cause he's a liberal and worships moloch
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:39:37 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff you send them a sample of motor oil and they analyze its contents to see how it's performing and how the engine is wearing
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     • BowserNoodle ☦️
     @BowsacNoodle @skylar he's kinda one of the people who formalized law in the commonlaw world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blackstone
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:41:02 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @skylar So it's exactly like I said in my top reply: in the context of a society where a woman and her decisions are her husband's responsibility, it's punishing him. It is implied that the woman has a lack of restraint and agency, like a child.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:41:38 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @skylar Also rapists should be brutalized. If we allowed vigilantism again, society would be better off.
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     PoalackJokes88 (poalackjokes88@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:42:02 JST PoalackJokes88

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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff Even then, it's a stupid standard. Children legally lack agency & autonomy, but the parents don't get imprisoned if the child gets molested by a schoolteacher or something. It acts like parents are omnipotent and puts the onus on them instead of the ACTUAL CRIMINAL.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:43:57 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @skylar @jeffcliff I've seen that before, but I didn't recognize the name. They look for signs of microscopic piston wear, blowby, etc. yes?
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:46:37 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • PoalackJokes88
     @PoalackJokes88 @BowsacNoodle same way when an adult dies dies that the court establishes mens rea as part of a murder charge
     
     or some kind of mental negligence as part of a manslaughter / involuntary murder charge
     
     the state of mind of the person who committed the act can matter in law
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:46:37 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 Unless the victim is black in which case it's automagically dying of racism
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     PoalackJokes88 (poalackjokes88@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:46:38 JST PoalackJokes88

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     • BowserNoodle ☦️
     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle How?
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:46:39 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • PoalackJokes88
     @PoalackJokes88 @BowsacNoodle
     > if he knew and approved of everything someone else did to his child while he was away.
     
     what if it could be proved that he did?
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     PoalackJokes88 (poalackjokes88@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:46:39 JST PoalackJokes88

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     • BowserNoodle ☦️
     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle Then that's a different scenario.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:46:39 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • PoalackJokes88
     @PoalackJokes88 @BowsacNoodle i think that's what they are getting at here
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:46:40 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • PoalackJokes88
     @PoalackJokes88 @BowsacNoodle huh??
     
     > instead of the ACTUAL CRIMINAL.
     
     the actual criminal in that case is the schoolteacher
     
     not the girl who got so abused
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     PoalackJokes88 (poalackjokes88@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:46:40 JST PoalackJokes88

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     • BowserNoodle ☦️
     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle Yeah, that's what I was saying. But you're talking about locking up the father, as if he knew and approved of everything someone else did to his child while he was away.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:50:46 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 That's literally how it's supposed to be now. He committed rape. He should be beaten brutally.
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:50:47 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • PoalackJokes88
     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 think this through
     
     black man knocks white woman up, she has an abortion, he gets charged with a felony
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     Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:53:03 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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     • PoalackJokes88
     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 i mean even if it's not rape
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:53:03 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Nov-2024 12:58:13 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 Honest reaction from me (or why I'm not a good racist): If they had consensual sex that results in pregnancy, deliberate termination of the pregnancy should punish both of them. If rape, it should be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and rapist should be flogged. The woman bearing no responsibility does not fit within the modern systems of the world, or rather it fits too well.

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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle Ah, that makes more sense. In that case...
     If it can be proven that the "baby-daddy" pressured her into it, yeah, he should get charged for that.
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     • PoalackJokes88
     @PoalackJokes88 @BowsacNoodle not *her* father *the* father of the child
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle This scenario would only make sense if the father was pimping out the daughter and wanted her to get an abortion as a result. It's a very unlikely scenario (not impossible, look at Hollywood) and in that setting the father definitely deserves death.
     
     But if he was unaware of her sexual activity, or aware but unable to prevent it, holding him responsible is insane.
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     @PoalackJokes88 @BowsacNoodle
     
     >This scenario would only make sense if the father was pimping out the daughter and wanted her to get an abortion as a result.
     
     It makes sense if *any man uses a pimped woman*, or any woman that has not been provided for by a prospective father.
     
     > holding him responsible is insane.
     
     it's not holding the father responsible
     it's holding *the guy whose dick got her preggo* responsible
     [unless, of course that's the same person]
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle Your words:
     "There's a thought
     
     Woman gets an abortion? Charge the father with a felony."
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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff >The woman bearing no responsibility does not fit within the modern systems of the world, or rather it fits too well.
     It's our current system. A woman can choose to get pregnant with someone, for example by lying about being on the pill or poking holes in condoms, and the man is on the hook for child support. She can choose to abort even if the man wants to keep it. She can ignore the man's wishes to abort or have no part in it and still demand child support. Our (((courts))) are beyond fucked up.
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     @PoalackJokes88 @jeffcliff Hence my points. She should bear equal charges at minimum. The fact that women will not ever accept even equal punishment for their crimes is evidence of a tiered system that implies they don't have the same agency as men. They still get extra freedoms and bonus abuses with it, which needs to stop.
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     • PoalackJokes88
     @PoalackJokes88 @BowsacNoodle i think the idea would be
     
     if he didn't convince her *not* to do it
     ie by providing a plausible and acceptable to the woman path to fatherhood
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle Too subjective. At the end of the day she's taking the action, it puts a positive onus on the man to show her his financial situation before getting with her, which just makes him a target for gold diggers.
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 By this logic, a woman should have to prove she is capable and willing to quit the workforce and raise a child before she's allowed to get her sex loicense. based IMO.
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     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88
     
     > She should bear equal charges at minimum.
     
     i think this is assumed as irrelevant to this thread
     whether or not *she's* charged depends on current law in the jurisdiction in question, the question of this thread is whether *he* should be charged
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 This is already into hypothetical territory and now we're mixing up is/ought. You can't punish a man for something a woman does without his consent unless you revoke personhood rights from said women and legally declare her property of the man who is taking responsibility for said actions. To do anything else makes her privileged (like present day) and makes men second class citizens (like present day). Founding fathers and olde worlde judges didn't have a world where women could semi-anonymously press a magic rectangle and have a line of men outside her door to boink her faster than the time it takes to boil water.
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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff In Basedworld that would work. In clownworld the people deciding on sex licenses are radical jews or fat shaniquas that hate white men and want them dead. None of us would ever get approved.
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 This thread is about punishing men for actions done by women. A woman who cannot prove she is capable of not indiscriminately killing an unborn child should not have sex, and she certainly shouldn't weild the power to kill said unborn child and cause criminal punishment to a man.
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     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 > a man should have to prove *man* is capable and willing to father a child before she's allowed to get his sex loicense.
     
     
     this is more in line with this thread
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 This thread is dumb and I regret ever replying. Take your feminist shit elsewhere
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     • PoalackJokes88
     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 > You can't punish a man for something a woman does without his consent
     
     the man consents by consenting to sex to putting the woman in the dillema
     
     that's enough
     
     giving the privilege of your cum to a woman is a privilege indeed
     
     > Founding fathers and olde worlde judges didn't have a world where women could semi-anonymously press a magic rectangle and have a line of men outside her door to boink her faster than the time it takes to boil water.
     
     But they had no trouble getting boinked, if they wanted to by about as many men in the village as were in the village.
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 We should make abortion a crime. It cannot just be a crime that punishes the man. Do you realize how retarded and feminist (but I repeat myself) that is?
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     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88
     
     > we should make abortion a crime! a felony even!
     
     > you're such a feminist, jeff why do i even waste time responding to this thread
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 @givenup Wow that's pretty fucking bold coming from a guy who cucked out and got himself snipped.
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 oh right, states do ban abortions, and i'm glad there are women in prison for it, men are already fucked enough by the system, you got some gleeful desire to see them fucked more, there are so many occasions where men do their damnest and women just go out and do what htey want. i was ready to start a family when i found out i had impregnated a woman, i said alright, let's do this then, but she killed it. it's my fualt is it? fuck you jeff,
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     @givenup @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 > it's my fualt is it?
     
     :yes_nord:
     
     If you weren't suck a fuckup she could have said yes. It's not her fault you're a nutcase
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 good luck with what? we're talking about hypotheticals, afterall nobody is held criminally responsible for women getting abortions at all, if you want a society where men bear the responsibility for women's actions, then that society must give men authority to make decisions for them.
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     @givenup @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 >fterall nobody is held criminally responsible for women getting abortions at all,
     
     There are women in prison for having abortions
     
     and people who want to change the law here for that to happen here too. a lot of them
     
     > if you want a society where men bear the responsibility for women's actions
     > then that society must give men authority to make decisions for them.
     
     you have the authority to decide whether to try to knock a woman up, if she lets you try.
     you don't need more authority than that
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 yes but that idea falls apart when we live in societies where we've permitted women to make independent decisions where men can't even tell them no.
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 if i'm gonna be legally responsible for a woman's actions, then i demand full authority over said woman.
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     @givenup @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 good luck with that
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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 man when anyone talks about women as rationa actors capable of making decisions i go "what the fuck planet are you from?"
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     @givenup @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 this *strengthens* the case of charging the person with actual rational thinking (the man) with the crime
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 @givenup Sounds like you have no dog in the fight and should listen and learn to those of us who do.
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     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 @givenup thus avoiding this whole dilemma entirely
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 @givenup You're literally saying that women should be able to choose to send her husband or boyfriend to jail because her feelings and emotions change one day while a system that encourages infanticide cheers her on.
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     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 @givenup ie
     the women
     BowserNoodle ☦️ repeated this.
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 tbh jeff, i'd take away all women's rights just to spite you. were it in my power to do so, and society would be better off for it.
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 @givenup Too bad women are emotionally unstable when pregnant. I have seen women go full Jekyll «» Hyde from pregnancy hormones. There's a fertility crisis in the civilized world, but let's just throw another level of gasoline in the fire. I am actually shocked to see such poorly thought out ideas come from you, but I suppose it fits with your nihilism and beliefs that humans are 'le bad parasites'.
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     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 @givenup guess the husband or boyfriend better make sure he's got all his bases covered before knocking her up
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     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 @givenup > There's a fertility crisis in the civilized world
     
     yeah: people are having too many damn children
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 @givenup Why don't you personally go to the ghettos, Indian slums, and African shitholes and convince them.
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 @givenup >yoU LeFt YoUr CHiLd iN a PLacE wHeRe iT diEd
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     @givenup @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 you left your child in a place where it died
     
     you are a negligent father and your child is dead because of it
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 she failed to be a human being, then killed one.
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     @givenup @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 you left a human being in her womb
     
     this is like leaving a human child exposed in the winter cold outdoors
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 nigger what the fuck are you talking about?
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 see that don't mean shit to me, cuz despite your retard logic, I didn't kill a child, the woman did, because she's also retarded, like you. hence why she doesn't deserve rights.
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     @givenup @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 *You* are responsible for the death of that child. You failed to convince her to let it live.
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     @givenup @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 cope harder babykiller
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 fortunately for us all, you don't have any power to make any laws that are braindead retarded and your opinions are clearly pointless to continue to listen to. you ignorant piece of shit you have stupid thoughts going through your brain.
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     @skylar @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 have you seen the shit he said about the most painful experience i ever had?
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88 @givenup chat, why don't we just kill jeff cliff instead?
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     @givenup @skylar @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 The amount of restraint you're showing by not threatening his life RN is pretty impressive.
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     @jeffcliff @skylar @PoalackJokes88 @givenup Go fuck yourself, dude. You type this shit while hiding in your cuckbubble from Chinese ching Chong bing bong sniffles. I hope Donald Trump sends an army of industrial wood chippers to the great white North and that the day of the rake becomes a reality. Total pedo death. Total antinatalist death.
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     @BowsacNoodle @skylar @PoalackJokes88
     
     you're right, @givenup should really be fucking killed
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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff @skylar @PoalackJokes88 @givenup just need to take out the GTA and the rest of the canadian urbanites will be brought to heel, or just do nothing and he'll be hit in a car accident by a jeet.
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     @CenturianFrend @jeffcliff @skylar @PoalackJokes88 @givenup >implying he leaves his house
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     @jeffcliff @BowsacNoodle yeah except this would just turn into vindictive women getting their empty uterus vacuumed to get their exes arrested
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     @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 If you want to add punishment to the father to go with punishment to the mother, I'm not even opposed to that. But you didn't lead with that, purposefully.
     > a crime that just punishes the woman rn in the US
     Not federally. Not in most states either. That there is exists laws to prevent abortion of the unborn beyond points where they become near recognizable as human infants is the mark of a civilized society. The USA has varied laws per the states, which is how we were setup as a constitutional Republic.
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     @BowsacNoodle @PoalackJokes88
     
     > It cannot just be a crime that punishes the man.
     
     sure it can
     
     just like it's a crime that just punishes the woman rn in the US and a crime that punishes neither man nor woman in canada
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     @BowsacNoodle @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 Is jeff having a new libshit pet theory?
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     @white_male @jeffcliff @PoalackJokes88 He's looking at ye olde English commonlaw and cherry picking a way to make the abortion laws worse in the opposite way as needed.