Hrefna (DHC)
"No see if we all just refused to cast a vote for any candidate who supports…"
Elections in the US don't work off of 50% of the population voting. We don't have a quorum. They work off of the people _who show up_.
So if you don't show up because you can't bring yourself to vote for any candidate you are basically abdicating the choice to someone else, not making a profound statement, and if everyone did as you did then the consequence is your voice won't be heard at all.
Hrefna (DHC)
@Forgetableego none of that has anything to do with what I just said.
Forgetableego
@hrefna if your district is expensive, and constituency can't afford housing and you arrest them they may not reliably show up, same if they can't afford transportation, child care, to take time off of 1 of their 4 jobs, if they feel to sad because their the taxes funded their family's genocide, or if they just felt intimidated by creeping fascism across the board, or they didn't live in one of the tiny handful of states that truly decide the election.
Hrefna (DHC)
@Forgetableego Maybe you didn't read the subclause after "because" in my sentence. Start there.
Forgetableego
@hrefna Maybe they just didn't hear it. The homeless folks that get arrested that CA voters just decided should be subject to slave labor, we can shout at them through the fence, "pick the lesser of two evils otherwise we might end up like you, if you pick the lesser of two evils, I don't think we'll be next... maybe"
Forgetableego
@hrefna "So if you don't show up because you can't bring yourself to vote for any candidate"<--I just listed several reasons why one might not be able or willing. Was anything done to help those people? Some of whom are already living an existence reflective of what others are trying to vote themselves away from?
Forgetableego
@hrefna I hear you. I hear you in my memories where this was my script for decades, I feel sure nearly everyone has heard it. I wonder why it doesn't work.
Hrefna (DHC)
@Forgetableego If you "hear" me then why are you going off on these tangents that have nothing to do with what I said?
I did not say:
* That there might not be other reasons one might be unable to vote outside of because you can't bring yourself to vote for either candidate.
* That this is good or right or fair.
I did say:
* If you _choose_ to not vote _because_ you can't bring yourself to vote for either candidate.
* That this is the way it is in our system.
Hrefna (DHC)
@Forgetableego You can also draw your attention to the first sentence of my post, where I lay out explicitly the argument that I am addressing.
Which is to say: even beyond "choosing not to vote because you can't bring yourself to" it is the _advocating for not voting on that basis.
So again, you appear to either have not read what I wrote or are inserting an argument I did not make into my words.
Forgetableego
@hrefna *Perhaps last time you "chose" to call into one of you four jobs to stand in line to wait and went hungry because of it
*Perhaps last time even though you were homeless, you went through Herculean efforts cast a provisional
*Perhaps last time you donated a grand to a candidate that wiped your family off of the planet
*Perhaps you thought I lived in one of the solid not swing states, and they will see, "do better"
Hrefna (DHC)
@Forgetableego you are very clearly making an argument against something I didn't say and that you are projecting onto what I said, and you keep doubling down on it.
You're on one ball (being generous), two strikes, if you want to keep at it.
Hrefna (DHC)
@Forgetableego Three strikes.
You're continuing to insert words into my mouth that I did not say, and going out of your way to twist my words into something that I never meant. When told that you were doing this, rather than re-analyze or walk away or take it to your own spaces, you continued to double down on your projection and minimization to tell me what I meant.
Peace.
Forgetableego
@hrefna I'm sure you're right, the ones that "chose" not to show up, probably didn't think of that, they probably didn't realize, and if it makes you feel better to think so, I am sincerely all for it because whether you "choose" to see what you're asserting is inherently obvious or not I hope for whatever comfort you can gain right now. But, if they understand what you're saying, why might they still be making that choice, and how do we hold power to account, instead of them
Hrefna (DHC)
@chrisfed France is (with some caveats) a parliamentary democracy—which the US is not—and I explicitly said that I was talking about the US.
Maisheu
@hrefna
It is not working this way, in France in summer left has won but this is the right that leads... Even worse, we had many more voters than anytime and still this is the far-right that has almost doubled its quantity of représentatives...
There is only 1 path : stop feeding thé rich
GNU social JP is a social network, courtesy of GNU social JP管理人. It runs on GNU social, version 2.0.2-dev, available under the GNU Affero General Public License.
All GNU social JP content and data are available under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license.