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   sjvn (sjvn@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 06:03:25 JST sjvn

   • sjvn

   The US government wants developers to stop using C and C++ https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/08/the_us_government_wants_developers/ by @sjvn

   Yes, they're serious. They have good #programming #security reasons for doing this. But, it's not going to happen anytime soon.

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     The Penguin of Evil (etchedpixels@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 09-Nov-2024 06:12:29 JST The Penguin of Evil

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     @sjvn They could make it happen pretty soon by fixing liability laws. Not going to happen in a hurry and certainly less likely under the next lot.

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     Artsurd (artsurd@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 10-Nov-2024 02:08:08 JST Artsurd

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     @sjvn on a language-only level, it makes a lot of sense. You can do basically anything you need to with more protection against common vulnerabilities which have a real impact in the world.

     What I feel it misses is everything else. Ecosystem, resources, developers, expertise, maturity, tooling, etc.

     These things are getting better thankfully. Perhaps one day we'll be at a point where there's little reason to start a new project in C++. Existing ones will probably stick around for a while.

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     Rasmus Lindegaard (rasmus91@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 07:31:05 JST Rasmus Lindegaard

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     @sjvn

     "They don't see the point. After all, they can write memory-safe code in C, so why can't you?"

     Hahaha 🤣 no they can't.

     I work with people who are start programmers who have written C++ and C for 30+ years. And even they have write memory safe code. They would have to be a borrowchecker to be able to do that.

     Of course people are reluctant to change their tooling; that means moving outside their comfort zone...

     And in regards to speed: Rust is like 3% slower than C i believe?

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     sjvn (sjvn@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 07:31:05 JST sjvn

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     • Rasmus Lindegaard

     @rasmus91 Speeds can vary wildly, but you knew that. Still, C is faster than Rust and for many developers and companies it's all about speed.