@sickburnbro Wasn't there a thing awhile back where people who inherited organs from organ donors were manifesting aspects of the donor's personalities?
@Wiz it's smarter to recognize the patterns you aren't supposed to recognize until it turns out that meta-gaming your pattern recognition actually makes you dumber.
@NoDoxGregBrady@sickburnbro@TrevorGoodchild@Eiswald So, let us take Sauron splitting his soul and infusing part of it into a golden ring. This is rightfully unnatural and actually entirely irrational. Splitting his soul like this is, in a way, destroying it (and it shows, since he isn’t powerful without his ring). Placing his soul in an inanimate ring is also unnatural, since a ring is not made to receive even human souls, let alone Sauron’s. And finally, it is irrational since Sauron, as a Maiar by nature, would be immortal. Therefore, his act of creating the ring actually comes from his irrational desire to dominate all of nature.
@sickburnbro@TrevorGoodchild@Eiswald In the JRRTolkien fictional universe, the Maiar, Valar, and Elves all have the ability to perform "magic". When a human or hobbit talks about it as magic, the magic-user can't comprehend.
But, it was very clearly explained that Melkor became Morgoth as he siphoned off his immense spiritpower into investing Evil into the world, corrupting Middle-earth.
So, his magic came from investing some of his spirit into things. We know the same thing from Sauron's ring; he invested so much of his spirit into it, he was no longer powerful (enough) without it.
Consequently, we can determine that in Tolkien's universe, magic-use is a matter of siphoning off some of your own soul, or spirit, for the purpose of achieving some "thing". 2of3
@NoDoxGregBrady@sickburnbro@TrevorGoodchild@Eiswald Pretty sure in one of Tolkien’s letters, “magic” is a clear reference to something clearly unnatural. The natural power of the Elves, Maiar and Valar therefore is deemed “magic” to mortals because mortals are entirely unfamiliar with the nature of the supernatural.
Thus, what Sauron is doing is rightfully called ”magic”, precisely because it is genuinely unnatural due to its evil.
@sickburnbro@TrevorGoodchild@Eiswald Makes me think of a combination of two ideas floating around out there: - When photography was first being developed, "Stupid savages" refused to allow their pictures to be taken, as it would siphon off some of their souls
...the second idea is a little broader, so I'll poast as a second comment... 1of3