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   hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 22:56:23 JST hazlin no plap pirate
   The metric system is Proprietary.
   
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 22:56:22 JST 翠星石

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     @hazlin Metric has been free from the start, free of proprietary restrictions and that includes even the more modern SI units.
     
     The US customary units used to be completely proprietary, but they're less proprietary now, as all the units are defined based off SI units - although the wasteful extra steps required to do basic calculations are proprietary.
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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:22:38 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     @Suiseiseki
     Having a system based off of a calculation error, is as proprietary as it gets. You get easier math, with units that are physically harder to judge. Requiring you to engage in math, where none should be needed.
     
     Much better to be free and use the units your ancestors used. You don't have to do as much math, because they are sized appropriately for common applications.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:22:38 JST 翠星石

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     @hazlin >calculation error
     1mL was defined to be 1 gram of water, but then it was realized that density of water ever so slightly differs depending on conditions, which doesn't matter for most purposes, but does matter when it comes to scientific measurements.
     
     All calculations have error and in this case the difference between 1mL and the current gram is an excellent extremely low error.
     
     >You get easier math, with units that are physically harder to judge.
     Metric units are very easy to judge and are usually base 10 and save you from doing math in many cases - you can shove a container onto a scale, tare the scale and pour in 1kg of water and know that you got a litre almost exactly with no complex math required.
     
     With metric, you know that 1 metre is 100 cm and 1cm in 10mm and 1000m is a kilometer - quite easy math that can physically be easily judged.
     
     Meanwhile, good luck with inches, yards and miles.
     
     >Requiring you to engage in math, where none should be needed.
     You face that issue with US customary units rather than metric.
     
     Trying to get almost exactly a gallon of water with a scale that does pounds is a complex mathematical task when it should be a simple one.
     
     >use the units your ancestors used
     Such ancestors did not use the current US customary units - they faced major issues with measurements never quite replicating that that continued until the US customary units were defined based off metric units and even that system causes many errors and losses.
     
     >You don't have to do as much math, because they are sized appropriately for common applications.
     Very incorrect.
     
     25.4mm (1 in) is slightly too large for common applications - 20mm is about the right size.
     
     Actually getting things to fit together while using inches is a very mathematically complex task, while it's easy in metric - convert to mm and add the round units together, adding 10mm, 9mm, 8mm, 6mm, 5mm, 4mm, 3mm, 2mm or 1mm here or there as required, with excellent accuracy - meanwhile the inch only really gives you 1 in (25.4mm), or 0.5 in (12.7mm), or 0.25 in (6.35mm) of accuracy to work with (which is already a calculation disaster, let alone having to face the issue of trying to use 0.333333... in with any accuracy).
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:30:29 JST 翠星石

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     @skylar @hazlin Imagine being so hopeless that you don't know precisely that 10°C is coldish, 20°C is warm, 30°C is hot and 40°C is very hot and your mind can only fit the concept of two sloppy imprecise cases.
     
     >feet being 12 inches makes them easy to divide cleanly into halves, thirds, quarters, or sixths
     Mathematically it is much easier to divide a metric measurement into half's, thirds, quarters or sixths, rather than having to convert it to 25.4mm and then dividing it;
     10mm / 2 == 5mm
     10mm / 3 == 3.333...mm (don't do this)
     10mm / 4 == 2.5mm
     10mm / 6 == 1.6666666...mm (don't do this)
     
     1in / 2 == 12.7 mm
     1in / 3 == 8.4666666...mm
     1in / 4 == 6.35mm
     1in / 6 == 4.2333333...mm
     
     If you really want, you can choose 12mm or 12cm as the base measurement as a laugh.
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:30:30 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @hazlin @Suiseiseki it's just a useful scale
     for most places people live, 0 is pretty cold and 100 is pretty hot
     inches with fractions are easy to deal with compared to decimal nonsense, feet being 12 inches makes them easy to divide cleanly into halves, thirds, quarters, or sixths
     
     i think we need even more obscure, arcane units of measurement just to mog europeans
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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:30:31 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     @skylar @Suiseiseki
     Temperature is a great example. Fever severity can be judged in whole numbers with Fahrenheit.
     
     Celsius? Your going to have to remember a bunch of fractions.
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:30:32 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @hazlin @Suiseiseki imagine needing to go find some ice and boil some water just to figure out if you need a jacket rather than just using good wholesome fahrenheit
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:39:39 JST 翠星石

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     @hazlin @skylar Total retardation.
     
     Fever severity is judged with decimals in both Celsius and Fahrenheit, except for Hyperpyrexia, which is whole numbers in Celsius; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever?useskin=monobook#Diagnosis
     With Celsius you only need to remember 2 digits to get an accurate enough reading, while with Fahrenheit, you need to remember at least 3 digits and the accuracy is bad.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:46:12 JST 翠星石

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     @skylar @hazlin I didn't do any conversion, I rather skipped the conversion part and directly used the definition of the inch, which is defined to be 25.4mm.
     
     Playing silly games with fractions like ½, ⅓, ¼, ⅕, ⅙ is pure retardation, as adding them together is a pain in the ass - first you need to convert them to decimal, then you need to add them, then you need to convert them back, which is worse than using decimals and rounding to 0.5mm or .25mm or .75mm or whatever, while maintaining acceptable accuracy.
     
     There is more countries in the world than just the USA and Europe.
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:46:13 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @Suiseiseki @hazlin just don't convert it to the retarded europoor units retard
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:56:30 JST 翠星石

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     @hazlin @skylar >The Meter is based off of an error
     The metre is not based off an error.
     
     They decided to arbitrarily use the polar circumference of the Earth as a measurements, with mathematical calculations, but ever so slightly got one of the measurements wrong, but that didn't matter in the end, as the distance could be perfectly replicated and the polar circumference of the earth happening to not actually be 40000km doesn't matter.
     
     The inch is based off the metre, being defined to be 25.4mm.
     
     >They may have well made it the same length as a yard.
     There was no replicatable measurement of a yard and the error rate of basing it off as something as short as a yard rather than a whole planet would be rifle with terrible inaccuracy.
     
     The yard is now defined based off the metre, being exactly 0.9144m.
     
     >An extension of existing units
     The existing units *could not be replicated*, thus they were useless for any sort of accurate measurement purposes.
     
     >introduced a competing system, with slightly different unit sizes for no reason
     The unit sizes were all unique and carefully selected for a reason.
     
     >The baked in usefulness of the traditional units lost.
     Such units had no baked in usefulness - they were inaccurate from the very start.
     
     >A system based off of foolish pride and ignorance, that created more work, for no benefit.
     A system of using metric with extra steps that is based off foolish pride and ignorance, that makes more work and causes errors for no benefit is what the US customary units system is.
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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Monday, 28-Oct-2024 23:56:31 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     @Suiseiseki @skylar
     > 1mL was defined to be 1 gram of water, but then it was realized that density of water ever so slightly differs depending on conditions
     
     Bad faith example. The Meter is based off of an error. And, that error has been standardized. So, it can be used interchangeably with other systems.
     
     They may have well made it the same length as a yard. But, they didn't because that would have actually been a useful and rational idea.
     
     An extension of existing units, where everything is done in terms of base 10, to make it easier to work with quantities, both extremely large and small, would have been fine.
     
     Honestly, just adding SI prefixes to empirical units would have added all the value they hoped to gain from the metric system.
     
     Instead, introduced a competing system, with slightly different unit sizes for no reason, so that conversion between systems IS a pain in the ass.
     
     The baked in usefulness of the traditional units lost. The need for hard conversions, added to ALL existing units. And, imposing strict adherence to a base 10 system, makes head math harder for common applications.
     
     A system based off of foolish pride and ignorance, that created more work, for no benefit.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:01:28 JST 翠星石

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     @hazlin >at 100F you have a fever, and at 101F you have a bad fever. If you go above that, it is time to take an ice bath.
     It is much easier to remember that at >38°C you have a fever and >40°C you have Hyperthermia, as that's 2 rather than 3 digits to remember.
     
     >Simple enough to remember in a crisis, and save your child.
     Knowing that >=40°C that an ice bath and following medical treatment is required is slightly easier to remember than a 3 digit number.
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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:01:29 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     @Suiseiseki @skylar
     Yeah, that is a table. Made by people with too much time, and without a sense for the real world.
     
     Practically, at 100F you have a fever, and at 101F you have a bad fever. If you go above that, it is time to take an ice bath.
     
     See how simple that is? Simple enough to remember in a crisis, and save your child.
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:06:49 JST Zergling_man

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     @Suiseiseki @hazlin Farenheit is the funniest one because burgers will always tell you about how it's geared around comfortable human ranges, but my comfortable range is like 5-10°C lower than everybody else's so it's not like it works for me at all.
     Maybe I should define my own standard of Farenheit and insist it's the same as theirs because it feels the same at the same values.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:17:01 JST 翠星石

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     @skylar >the wall is 22-1/4" long
     >your baseboard is 3/8" thick.
     What the actual fresh hell?
     >the answer is immediately obvious: it needs to be 22-5/8"
     Having to do 1/4 -> 2/8 -> 2/8 + 3/8 -> 5/8 is several error prone steps and that's even with fractions selected to match up.
     
     Now try to do 22-1/7in long + 3/8 in for me without a calculator (yes, I have seen 1/7in and 15/16in and worse).
     
     It's far easier in metric - the wall is 50cm long and the baseboard is 10mm thick - it needs to be 51cm, or if the baseboard is actually 9mm thick that's 509mm, or if the baseboard is actually 8.5mm thick, that's 508.5mm.
     
     Imagine gaslighting yourself into thinking the most backwards way to do things is "easy to do".
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:17:02 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @Suiseiseki @hazlin why the fuck would you convert them to decimal you absolute mongoloid
     
     consider the following: you're cutting out a piece of baseboard for a wall and come to an outside corner. the wall is 22-1/4" long and your baseboard is 3/8" thick.
     with our nice easy to use imperial fractions, the answer is immediately obvious: it needs to be 22-5/8"
     no calculator needed, no decimals of fagometers
     all the imperial fractions of inches are easy cause they go the same way as binary: halves, quarters, 8ths, 16ths, 32nds, 64ths. you will never encounter a third or a fifth unless some gay europoor did it.
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:43:39 JST Zergling_man

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     @Mamako @hazlin @professionalbigot69 @Suiseiseki Just eyeball it bro
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     Mamako (mamako@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:43:40 JST Mamako

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     @Zergling_man @professionalbigot69 @Suiseiseki @hazlin Sorry bro, I gotta agree. imperial Measurements are the correct way to navigate the world. if you use the devils measurements you’ll always end up short.
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:43:41 JST Zergling_man

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     @professionalbigot69 @hazlin @Suiseiseki :62:
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     Ulysses (professionalbigot69@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:43:42 JST Ulysses

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     @Zergling_man @Suiseiseki @hazlin 🫵 non-standard
     you're the Apple of fedi
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     Ulysses (professionalbigot69@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:43:43 JST Ulysses

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     @Zergling_man @Suiseiseki @hazlin have you considered that you're not standard
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     @professionalbigot69 @hazlin @Suiseiseki lmao he's really gonna do it
     I'm on fedi you absolute foot-smeared dogturd, of course I'm not standard, stop pretending you're any more normal.
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     Ulysses (professionalbigot69@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 00:43:44 JST Ulysses

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     @Zergling_man @Suiseiseki @hazlin ”but i'm more comfortable than most people at-”
     yeah, you're not most people
     you Jimmy
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     @professionalbigot69 @hazlin @Suiseiseki A standard that fails just because someone happens to be a bit different is a pretty shit standard lmao
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 01:16:18 JST 翠星石

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     @skylar My personal experience disproves that - I saw 15th's too.
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 01:16:19 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @Suiseiseki there are no 7ths in imperial inches, only 8ths
     if it was 22-15/16ths the answer would again be immediately obvious, 23-9/16
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 01:21:15 JST 翠星石

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     @skylar >It is impossible for me to have seen the fractional inches that someone had used.
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     @Suiseiseki your experience is wrong and not representative of imperial measurements