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   chjara (chjara@akko.wtf)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Oct-2024 23:39:29 JST chjara
   https://lore.kernel.org/all/2024101835-tiptop-blip-09ed@gregkh/
   bunch of russian maintainers removed from linux, no reason other than "various compliance requirements", also got merged without comment or review
   looks like the complete US corporate capture of linux is showing itself
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Oct-2024 23:39:27 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @aismallard @chjara At the same time it also includes quite big drivers, like yeah sure nobody is going to need to send patches to GRE (network tunnelling), libata pata drivers (aka IDE) or pptp (also network tunnelling).
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     aismallard (aismallard@woem.space)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Oct-2024 23:39:28 JST aismallard

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     @chjara people on the mailing list are upset

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Oct-2024 23:52:57 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @aismallard @chjara Although at least for those it should somewhat fallback to mailing-lists and slightly more generic maintainers instead of linux-kernel@ (which might as well be /dev/null) which don't necessarily have the hardware/test-setup/knowledge.

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     chjara (chjara@akko.wtf)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 04:51:01 JST chjara

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     https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEgRMQMxZZ0z-jY4uHT+Gg@mail.gmail.com/
     torvalds signs off on it and everyone concerned about this is a russian troll apparently
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 04:58:46 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • eri :floofMischief:
     @chjara @eri Well https://social.kernel.org/objects/860ef93c-229b-4070-8ee6-cb80d1f51337 points at them being employed by russian military industrial complex, which you entirely could publicly justify.
     But then seeing Linus response… the hell.
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     chjara (chjara@akko.wtf)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 04:58:47 JST chjara

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     • eri :floofMischief:
     @eri as far as i know even the most drastic sanctions the US imposes do not apply to just, communication with non-designated citizens, which is what this is about
     but i don't doubt this is redhat telling the core team to kick out anyone vaguely russian to cover their ass/western brainworms, seeing linus's response
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     eri :floofMischief: (eri@mk.moth.zone)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 04:58:48 JST eri :floofMischief:

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     @chjara@akko.wtf fuck if i know maybe

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     chjara (chjara@akko.wtf)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 04:58:49 JST chjara

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     @eri on random individuals contributing to a free software project?
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     eri :floofMischief: (eri@mk.moth.zone)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 04:58:50 JST eri :floofMischief:

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     @chjara@akko.wtf it's not corporate, individuals have to follow the sanctions too

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:08:26 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • eri :floofMischief:
     @chjara @eri Yeah, 30 years into a projet should at very least predicted that people would raise a fuss when you kick a whole bunch of maintainers with no public reasoning attached with the patch or e-mail.
     
     And as @tusooa puts, I'd wonder about the logic, in a way it's the kind of thing you'd expect to maybe trigger some kind of Code of Conduct or similar social contract document.
     (Like "No maintainers related to military industrial complex of countries at war" could make sense)
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     chjara (chjara@akko.wtf)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:08:27 JST chjara

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     • eri :floofMischief:
     @lanodan @eri that at least makes some sense, if it is compliance with US sanctions
     but there should be transparency, is this free software or not?
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:08:47 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • eri :floofMischief:
     @chjara @eri @lanodan
     Being forced to comply is one thing, while the "let's sneak this in" attitude vs "publishing it in a regretful tone" is another. They could have totally said "[...] asked and threatened us to [...] so we have no choice but [...]"
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     chjara (chjara@akko.wtf)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:08:48 JST chjara

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • eri :floofMischief:
     @tusooa @eri @lanodan the linux foundation is a registered corporation that wouldn't exist without US government and corporate backing, they're forced to comply with the wide reaching sanctions
     which is an issue in itself, to be clear
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:08:49 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • eri :floofMischief:
     @lanodan @chjara @eri Still, there is a distinction between "we don't welcome people who do bad things" and "we don't welcome people who [insert some government] does not like, who also happen to do bad things."
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     Inga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸 (ingalovinde@embracing.space)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:13:47 JST Inga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸

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     @chjara just use several different linuces on top of each other

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     chjara (chjara@akko.wtf)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:13:48 JST chjara

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     so what now i wonder, linux fork? that'd be a mess
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:15:07 JST Blurry Moon

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • eri :floofMischief:
     @lanodan @chjara @tusooa @eri linus accidentally helping people realize cocs are bullshit that don't do anything if it contradicts the prevailing politics
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:21:44 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • eri :floofMischief:
     @sun @chjara @tusooa @eri Pretty much, at least pre-made CoCs are just useless.
     
     Bylaws made on a template are a bit less worse because at least most of those have proper enforcing rules, so they are actionable and good ones should work as a "social contract" where even higher-ups have to comply (which typically doesn't happens with CoCs).
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 05:26:26 JST Phantasm

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • eri :floofMischief:
     @tusooa @chjara @eri @lanodan The fact that none of the maintainers were moved to CREDITS is a cherry on top. You would think that in a 30 year old project, the maintainers would at least give you credits for maintaining parts of it, but no.
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 10:23:36 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • eri :floofMischief:
     @lanodan @chjara @eri
     
     With regard to this, https://github.com/Cryolitia just told me that "only one of the removed people" can be verified to be employed by a company with connections to the Russian army, but all people with a .ru email are removed. Which leads to people thinking whether the admin of social.kernel.org is misinforming the public.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 10:31:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • eri :floofMischief:
     @tusooa @chjara @eri Made me check and msu.ru is an university: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_State_University
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 10:35:23 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • eri :floofMischief:
     @tusooa @chjara @eri At least omp.ru and netup.ru are corporations so yeah they could be sanctioned.
     Although netup.ru seems to be just a seller of set-top boxes, at least usually mil-tech usually boasts about it on their site.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 10:42:55 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • eri :floofMischief:
     @tusooa @chjara @eri Yeah, for those you'd have to dig individually :/
     
     Same thing for trvn.ru which is likely the personal domain of Nikita Travkin (remove the vowels of the family name).
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 10:42:56 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • eri :floofMischief:

     @lanodan @chjara @eri mail.ru, which appeared multiple times in the patch, apparently is a generic mailing service.

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     wakest ⁂ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 10:59:41 JST wakest ⁂

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • eri :floofMischief:

     @tusooa @chjara @eri @lanodan yeah mail.ru is huge its like gmail for a good chunk of the world. when I was in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan thats what everyone had as email addresses

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 11:00:38 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • eri :floofMischief:
     @liaizon @tusooa @chjara @eri Huh didn't even expect it to be used outside of Russia.
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     wakest ⁂ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 11:04:56 JST wakest ⁂

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     • eri :floofMischief:

     @lanodan @chjara @tusooa @eri was mostly Vk and Yandex and OK everywhere when I was there. seemed almost more common then google services. Google maps didnt really work there too so less things to lock you into the google ecosystem. also I think all the phones people had came preinstalled with Yandex and and the like.

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