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this is one of my fears
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Tex is like Anonymous Conservative
He’s right about a lot of things but he also puts out some schizo content as well
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@jb indeed my fear is that "nothing or nearly nothing will be learned because the collapse will be so severe"
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@monsterislandcolonizer @jb No, what I mean by this is : "all technology is lost, we have no records, no idea what occurred"
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@sickburnbro @jb We are already at this point imo
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@sickburnbro @jb Oh
I meant that people nowadays don't know what a functioning civilization looks like
They just know smoke weed and scroll instagram
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@monsterislandcolonizer @jb yes, and that's because the regime wants that
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> all technology is lost
I have a friend that some years ago tried to make the case that if a collapse came it would be less catastrophic because “we already know how everything works“
The current competency crisis has changed his thinking on this matter
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@jb @monsterislandcolonizer watching some smart people on youtube makes me think that returning would be much easier - but the absolute amount of information that would vanish would be insane. Anything not written down on paper would be pretty much lost.
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@jb @sickburnbro @monsterislandcolonizer I've talked to a lot of preppers. Some low-key; some really, really into it. An awful lot of them are just funko pop collectors, but their funko pops are storable food and bullets.
The movie 'Reign of Fire' never gets a lot of props, but it's a fun movie. One part I really like is when Christian Bale and Gerard Butler are acting out a bedtime story for the kids, and they're retelling the scene in 'Star Wars' where Vader tells Luke that he's his father. It's a great example of what happens in a total collapse: you carry forward what people carry in their heads. When you're running for your life from the zombies, nobody's carting off copies of the 'Illiad'.
The White People Breakfast Question remains: "What happens when we lose the cities?"
>but i don't live in a city
These people are ngmi.
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@JoshuaSlocum @jb @monsterislandcolonizer The problem with "What happens when we lose the cities" is a translation problem; it's kind of like asking 'what would happen if you didn't eat breakfast' to someone who already didn't eat breakfast.
For an individual there is nothing they can reasonable do if "we lose the cities" - all you can do is try to get hard copies of critical works. And many preppers, especially those in the past, did exactly this.
There are also people that work on "how would you make electronics without access to pure chemicals" and questions like these.
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@sickburnbro @jb @monsterislandcolonizer I'm thinking of an even more fundamental problem. Cities aren't something we thought up in 1968 as a way to store the National Negro Reserves. It's an innovation that created civilization and progress by allowing specialization and encouraging interdependence. And from that we gained roads, communications, protection, and a number of other things that everybody takes for granted.
The man whose kneejerk reaction to "what if we lose the cities" is "but I don't live in a city" has a serf mentality. He cannot see beyond the horizon, and his natural place is to be kept on a plot of land that he works for the benefit of other men who can see beyond the horizon.
I understand the individual who can't see anything reasonable to do to save the cities. America washed its hands of them with the automobile, and it's a rare person that can see that the utter dependence we have on the internal combustion engine is a weakness, not a strength.
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@JoshuaSlocum @jb @monsterislandcolonizer This isn't the spirit of America, though. The Yeoman farmer was expected to be an educated responsible member of society. This of course was just Jefferson's vision, but that was a decent portion of it.
The city at the most bare is just the market.
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@plotinus_enjoyer @TrevorGoodchild @sickburnbro @monsterislandcolonizer @jb I'm generally not very pessimistic in this regard, but society *is* way out on a plank of badly written, poorly maintained software as it is. Our barely-working processes are dependent on other barely-working processes. One could say it's "Windows 11 all the way down", but that would be optimistic.
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@TrevorGoodchild @sickburnbro @monsterislandcolonizer @jb Probably what awaits us, given the nihilism of this age
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@sickburnbro @monsterislandcolonizer @jb Bronze Age Collapse Redux
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@sickburnbro @jb @monsterislandcolonizer The country at its most bare is subsistence farming.
The number of people who can be a blacksmith, a civil engineer, a doctor, an architect, a large animal vet, a chemical engineer, a teacher, a geoengineer, a musician, a craftsman, a miner, a carpenter and a farmer is so small you can fit them in a church van.
Western NC should be a wakeup call. Those hillfolk are quite self-sufficient and very canny, but even they need help after a disaster. When you are a civilization of one family out on a homestead, the size of the disaster it takes to wipe you out shrinks proportionally.
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@JoshuaSlocum @jb @monsterislandcolonizer This is why I say "the cities" there is a communication problem, because civilzation isn't cities - cities are just an artifact of civilization, and thus people don't equate with losing them with losing civilization.
An example of how tricky the balance is how the storm stopped production from that high purity quartz mine.
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