@vriska@anemone the irony is that fantasy environments have little to no reason to talk about these issues.
:neofox: why is there no extended discourse on accessibility and cripple rights? :blobcatlord: Heal, 6th circle spell, my blobbo. Sticks brand new legs right on those stumps!
:neofox: i am sad because man :what_cirno: just go down to the temple and borrow the greater emboobening scroll my blob, nobody cares
@anemone@icedquinn@vriska I mean top surgery scars tho ? In a fantasy game ? I can get coming out as trans but the top surgery seems a bit unrealistic and excessive lol
@icedquinn@anemone@vriska@teratology it is a mystery how all these things they want to co-opt got popular when they weren't progressive or inclusive like they insist is necessary to be successful.
@sun@shitposter.world@icedquinn@blob.cat@vriska@lizards.live probably has magic to get around it but it still has to look identical to a modern real world wheelchair for some reason because these people have the creativity of a slab of concrete
@sun@icedquinn@anemone@teratology it is a little silly to not just use magic to do this kinda thing in settting but acting like the active dragon age fandom isn't a bunch of blue haired pronoun havers since 2012 is disengenious
@vriska@icedquinn@anemone@teratology there's no rule that you have to be both progressive and brain damaged. I don't care what someone's politics are when I play games with them as long as they're not injecting their brain damage into the game
@vriska@anemone@sun@teratology pseudoprogressives are such obvious robots that even their pandering is offensively obvious. its like
the story to be told here is someone being extremely uncomfortable with their own body, being rejected socially for having completely wrong mannerisms, etc, hating life for being held to wrong expectations
this is something you can build a story around but you have to at least have the slightest bit of sense to do it in a setting where "cleric casts 6th level Heal, dysphoria cured" isn't LITERALLY CANON :gutkato_brulas_senzorge:
@anemone@sun@teratology@vriska the olde thing we would do in these circumstances is distill the core story out of the problem and rewrite it so people don't immediately recognize whats going on.
you'd turn the person in to a tree demon or something, so normies would experience the same things the people did and then you can rug pull later like "yeah that was actually a commentary on disabled war veterans though" and people go ah, shit, i've been had.
like in Arrow where felicity is injured for like one episode and then they find some technobullshit that fixes it (being in a wheelchair wasn't focus testing well i guess)
@sun@icedquinn@anemone@teratology Im talking specifically about dragon age, and yes, annoying gay people are the only ones who have cared about that series for over ten years
@anemone@a7@sun@vriska there's a kind of trauma and loss association to burn scars, tooth damage, limb disabilities and such. including it so people can experience that (in a sandbox context) or having people who find a way to succeed despite the handicaps (role models) is fine
but including it solely to immediately shit on it and shimmy it out of the way doesn't really do anything but trivialize the whole thing
@vriska@anemone@icedquinn@teratology the reason I did this though is that what is happening here is being paralleled in other things, I specifically thought of the D&D wheelchair thing analogous to the surgery scars
@sun@icedquinn@anemone@teratology two entirely different companies shipping two entirely different products. Do you get mad at pepsi for not tasting like sparkling water
@icedquinn@anemone@teratology@vriska I am never going to play it. I reserve the right to hold it up as an example. I didn't need to shit up someone else's thread about it so I'm sorry.
@sun@anemone@vriska@teratology i don't speak for anyone but there is a lot of h-media made by sissies and transfems and they generally do not venerate surgery scars and the like.
there's a couple games that kind of slow roll parts of the transformation but even then its fade to black and then all of the healing is already done etc
afaik the mid point is kind of a painful process nobody really wants to do.
its like if i was trying appeal to fashion enthusiasts by doing 3 hours of barber shop hair cutting footage and then going 'wow such hairstyle'
@teratology@icedquinn@anemone@vriska dragon age had lots of bi and gay representation. trans just seems like the next step. in dao your mentor duncan was probably gay and had right ear piercing
@vriska@icedquinn@anemone@teratology there literally is one investment company with one guy running it who is driving almost all of this. that is a fact.
@icedquinn@anemone@sun@teratology it is definetly integrated in the silliest and least narratively fulfillimg way possible but to pretend this is some woke company advancing an agenda and not "the only people who still talk about this game use neopronouns and we have to make the shareholders money" is equally silly
@vriska there was a very inorganic explosion of this kind of behavior across companies. it comes from the whole we're gonna force behaviors speech larry fink gave, where all the funding is now contingent on implementing what deranged out of touch old white men think "helping" is.
@icedquinn@anemone@vriska@teratology yes they are. and they carrot and stick companies to comply with one asshole's personal beliefs. They are currently moving into japanese games and comics to force them too.
@sun@anemone@teratology@vriska the correct way to have done this is just fund a handful of lgbt studios to make stuff. but honestly that wouldn't make these people happy because you just get resident evil lesbian simulator (signalis) and normal games with occasional girl kissing.
these old morons need you to SEE how much they are your FRIENDS so you won't guilotine them
@vriska@icedquinn@anemone@teratology if you were talking about comics I would agree with you because their market was stagnating and so they switched demographics. comics are still basically at death's door but it has kept the industry from just going bankrupt. The last time I was in a comic store it was actually filled with many different people, like young people, girls. instead of just old fat guys. was actually nice.
@icedquinn@anemone@sun@teratology is not inorganic at all. Liberal women and gay men have the most disposable income and are most likely to buy things. Corps believe in whatever makes them money and up until a few years ago pandering to those two demos is a money printer
i'm not talking about the indies like rose engine i'm talking about the big companies that are doing overt pandering to borderline or directly offensive behavior to make investors happy while completely fumbling the bag on the social issues they're supposedly being allies towards
@vriska@anemone@sun@teratology i saw blue hairs shit on it because there wasn't enough racial tension and everyone just kind of got along and didn't mass shooter each other despite having guns lmfao
@anemone@icedquinn@teratology@vriska He was in fact asked about the practice of other firms in vetting job applicants for anti-Israel statements to blacklist them, and he said "our company already vets applicants public statements".
@vriska@icedquinn@anemone@teratology again there is both good evidence that largely this practice is NOT profitable how it is typically implemented, and that it is being driven by activist investment by the largest investment company in the world, whose president is completely open about it.
@sun@icedquinn@anemone@teratology certain video games are the same way. It's a demographic shift that companies want to take advantage of. I loterally have not seen a single person on this network who wasnt transmasc even mention DA until this week. Bioware knows exactly who is going to buy this game
@vriska@icedquinn@anemone@teratology it is hard to prove but circumstantially it is correlated with the bottom dropping out of several industries. One explanation is that diversity stuff is a luxury belief when times are good, but when times are not good it gets dropped because you see actual losses.
@sun@icedquinn@anemone@teratology it has only started to actually statisically harm bottom line in the last 18 months or so and this is something they're actively teaching to people getting masters degrees in marketing in [current year]
@sun@icedquinn@anemone@teratology brother here got a masters in marketing three years ago and talked constantly about how much they were taught marketing is "finding demo with most disposable income and extracting it from them" with gays and liberal single women being given as the two biggest examples lol