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   Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:15:11 JST Sick Sun
   Interesting how Europe has right to privacy but chat control is gonna pass but the USA has no real right to privacy but you can't legally coerce someone to give up their E2EE keys.
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:20:05 JST ロミンちゃん

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     @sun it's a right to privacy from everyone but the guvment
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:31:32 JST Phantasm

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     @sun EU has been playing it like that for years. Pass something generally regarded as good and use that as leverage to pass something bad like chat control. People will then ignore the latter with arguments like "But they passed something good like X. They aren't that bad."
     
     The sad part about all of this, is that it works and the "save our children" excuse also works.
     
     It also doesn't help that EU politicians are usually dumb ones, that failed in their own country. It's a dumping ground for bad politicians that nobody wants at home.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:32:24 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @sun I feel like it sort of balances out but in a really weird way.
     Specially when even with E2EE you still typically leak out a ton of metadata and USA's Patriot Act means they can seize everything (even if it's stored overseas due to CLOUD Act).
     
     That said I really wish things like right to remain silent would extend to encryption-keys/passwords/… because it's kind of bullshit otherwise.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:34:00 JST Sick Sun

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     @lanodan int he usa right to not self-incriminate has included not having to personally give up keys but yes if someone else holds the key for you, they don't even need a warrant, they can just issue a court order.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:34:55 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @sun Well even that would be an improvement compared to France… (I don't think the laws regarding this are uniform in EU)
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:50:05 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
     
     I actually am a bit pessimistic that black-letter constitutionalism will hold, for the duration of my lifetime.
     
     "The First Amendment says" isn't going to protect you. Eventually it's going to matter whether or not we're bold enough that we won't shut up, even when they tell you to.

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:50:09 JST Sick Sun

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     @KuteboiCoder @lanodan I agree, they're going after the key secrecy protection
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:50:39 JST iced depresso

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan i was in an argument with an italian about this recently. he said something like "our constitution protects us from fascism" and i asked "and how does it do that?"
     
     i'm not sure if statists can be saved :blobcatgrimacing: some of these people need a good whopping of Stirner to remember that things happen because people make it happen not because somebody wrote on a paper.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:56:25 JST iced depresso

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan antiracism has some roots in discourse that just 'not being racist' doesn't correct the damage caused by having been racist in the past.
     
     it's kind of like bankers stealing all your shit and then banning taking people's shit. you still live in squalor and they still live in towers, so the whole thing is performative.
     
     that being said i think people would be better served by general poverty uplift programs.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:56:26 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
     
     I really think that this antiracism shit we're hearing about is nothing less than an attempt to legally vaporize the entire Bill of Rights.
     
     Freedom of speech? Slave owners wrote that. Right to bear arms? Slave owners wrote that. No quartering of soldiers? Slave owners wrote that.
     
     You thought that you had a right to life, and liberty, and pursuit of happiness, because slave owners told you so. Now face the wall.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 00:58:25 JST iced depresso

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     @KuteboiCoder @lanodan @sun remember that the control grid is essentially satanic and incompetent. everything they attach themselves to was a real movement. then they subvert it, skinsuit it, and wear it as a human suit for their actual agenda of controlling everything at all costs.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:06:43 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @sun@shitposter.world
     
     I think that the bluestate soycialist propagandists and bureaucrats are primarily scamming the $27 donations out of demographics that deserve to be scammed. Natural slaves and all that.
     
     State authority naturally emerges from the martial classes. Who formed this government? Who formed the first government?

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:06:43 JST iced depresso

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan not sure about that. seems everyone i meet who loves guns hates the state, and most of the people i meet who hate guns are the biggest serfs.
     
     there should be a little more martiality in society it seems, within reason.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:10:49 JST iced depresso

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan some of these people aren't american. the italian loved obedience and laws, the south african was like :neocat_gun:
     
     i've noticed serfs tend to have really poor understanding of logistics and complex thoughts, too. if you ask them to break down how things work they struggle to understand everything a state does is under threat of violence, and get antsy to change the topic quickly.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:10:50 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
     
     That's just American exceptionalism and frontier society at play. America is free-ish because the founding stock encountered no formal military hierarchy, at all, from then enemy camp when they conquered this land. That's why they believed in low taxes and unregulated markets.
     
     North America is exceptional because it was the final hunter-gather society that gave way to agrarianism. All others had given way thousands of years ago in the bronze age collapse.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:13:26 JST iced depresso

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     @KuteboiCoder @lanodan @sun one of the questions was 'what do you think is the worst problem' and one said inaction. i didn't get to say it, or i would have said the ubermensch mentality.
     
     even the right wingers are just looking for an ubermensch to drain the swamp or whatever.
     
     everyone needs to learn this mantra: we save ourselves.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:16:55 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
     
     Edgey libertarian?
     
     The competing interests between the warrior caste and the merchant caste is nothing new. It's easy to say "well, the warriors just stab us with pointy things and the merchants bring us shiny baubles, so clearly the former are stealing value from the latter."
     
     That mentality itself is a form of modernist degeneracy; our Bronze Age ancestors didn't believe this. When the first crops were cultivated, they understood their harvest depends upon their ability to retain possession of their land, and that they have a collective responsibility to support their warrior class.

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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:32:09 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
     
     When the bartering economy first emerged from the agrarian economy, people high and low understood that being a professional barter-er was a privilege, not a right.
     
     Making a living as a barterer depended upon having friendly relations with our tribe's chieftain, and the neighboring tribes' chieftain as well. If the neighboring chieftain says "I want one tenth of your surplus shells, from trading with my kin, each harvest season" it is well within his rights. And well within his rights to banish you from his realm if you don't comply.

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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:32:09 JST ≠

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan @icedquinn
     
     And thus tariffs were born
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:32:09 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @amerika@annihilation.social @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @icedquinn@blob.cat
     
     I regret my lolbert phase honestly. Wish I was more tradmasculine (at least in mentality, and possibly in terms of an earned physique) when I was younger and more impressionable.

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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:32:09 JST Sick Sun

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     @KuteboiCoder @lanodan @amerika @icedquinn governments aren't legitimate but what can you do
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:33:10 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @lanodan @sun In France if you don't give your passwords you defacto considered guilty.
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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:51:57 JST ≠

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan @icedquinn
     
     Libertarians are right about how economics works.
     
     But society needs more than just an economic system; it also needs leadership, legal, political, social, and cultural systems.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:51:57 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @amerika@annihilation.social @sun@shitposter.world @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @icedquinn@blob.cat
     
     Libertarians don't understand how the economy works; low-to-moderate inflation is Good, Actually.
     
     Inflation makes stonks go up, and also provides a slight discount on interest-bearing debts. Everybody has debt; and if you don't, then your customers do. If you own or develop property, you need loose credit so that people can buy your assets.
     
     As long as real inflation is lower than Treasury interest and real GDP growth, then nobody is actually losing their savings due to inflation.
     
     You know what's really bad? Deflation. That's when an 8% loan requires, in effect, 10% or 13% interest to repay because money is more scarce and more valuable. If you have no debts at all, and if you own a restaurant or a car dealership or any business that relies on consumer's discretionary spending, you are fucked.

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     @KuteboiCoder @sun @lanodan @icedquinn
     
     I disagree; demand-based systems like that force the monetization of EVERYTHING.
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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:53:00 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     @amerika @KuteboiCoder @icedquinn @lanodan @sun >"inflation " is good Fakenomic dont work well...
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:59:03 JST iced depresso

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     @ducky some of them start by deleting all of the gibs that are currently on the table and unify them as a single general program (negative income tax, UBIs.) yang proposed something like this.
     
     ex. france has a month to month welfare where you pay in or get paid based on where your income was that month, so people are not penalized for seeking work (and maybe losing it) vs. bed rotting. social security in the USA makes you sue them to get on and revoke it if you seek work, which is the opposite of what we want people doing
     
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     ducky (ducky@rally.guide)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 01:59:04 JST ducky

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     What do those programs look like? In a way that doesn’t include extra spending?
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     @dcc @KuteboiCoder @icedquinn @lanodan @sun
     
     Demand-based economics hold that more demand for the money increases its value.
     
     That tends however to cause a boom-bust cycle like the one we are in now.
     
     Supply-side economics say that you increase the value of what BACKS the currency, and things get better.
     
     It's more like the gold standard than Modern Monetary Theory (#MMT) which is basically Keynesian acrobatics.
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     Posting Hellbound (postinghellbound@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 03:27:26 JST Posting Hellbound

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     @sun dont quote me on this but i think europeans think rights like that are granted by the government and can be withdrawn at leisure
     
     (contrast with the notion of god-given rights the US constitution acknowledges)
     
     though the concept is imo on shaky foundations and europeans ought to have notions of inalienable rights, they probably functionally think in terms of rights granted by the government
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