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   Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:09:57 JST Blurry Moon
   I wanted to learn Rust but it sounds like it really does impose too much difficulty
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     Caek Islove 🍰 💖 (caekislove@caekis.love)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:11:31 JST Caek Islove 🍰 💖

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     Plus it turns you gay
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:13:51 JST of nothing

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     @sun how much Rust did you learn before realizing that?
     
     That probably sounds like a mocking question, implying that if you think Rust is hard, it's because you haven't tried it learning it yet, but I mean it the opposite way: to me Rust had amazingly good early impressions and it was only when I was maintaining software that I'd deployed for my employer that I realized that it's just too difficult to work with.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:13:51 JST Blurry Moon

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     @apropos I am reading people who used it for a long time and decided not not continue.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:14:43 JST Blurry Moon

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     @apropos I was trying to decide if I wanted to sink time into it because people say things like "you need to learn more before you get it"
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     Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:26:16 JST Matt Hamilton

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     @sun @apropos

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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:26:48 JST Blurry Moon

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     @thatbrickster is it worth it
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     England Lives (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:26:49 JST England Lives

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     @sun I learned Rust in a week, before we had many books (O'Reilly was the only publisher who had a few). When you're starting out, you'll be fighting with the borrow checker because you'll think the code you wrote is valid. The other main gotcha is the lack of packages/bindings compared to C/C++, of which not everyone wants to reinvent existing functionality just to avoid using FFI.
     
     I do like the Rust Lang Server. If it was around when I started it would've saved me a lot of time.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:29:39 JST Blurry Moon

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     @thatbrickster I want something that replaces C but is more safe
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     England Lives (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:29:40 JST England Lives

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     @sun Depends. I write all new projects with Rust because I'm happy with its 'batteries included' approach to unit tests, package deps, etc. while keeping the main reason I picked it up; speed. Build times are not as hairy as they once were, although a project with hundreds of deps will still take time.
     
     What are you looking to build?
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:44:43 JST feld

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     @sun @thatbrickster unplayed with Nim and thought it was easy enough and you can make static binaries with it
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     Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 08:46:00 JST Dumb Idiot Retard

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     @sun @thatbrickster I don't want to call it too early because if I do I'm going to give up on yet another personal project, but once I got my hand held a little bit through the introductory stuff, I kinda fuck with Ada, it's cool.
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     England Lives (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 09:05:23 JST England Lives

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     @sun I'm of the opinion Rust can do most of what C allows you to do. Beware of ugly syntax and lower portability compared to C though. I would suggest looking at others like Zig before committing.
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     segfault (segfault@class.lunanova.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 09:05:26 JST segfault

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     @sun @thatbrickster I like Zig but it isn't 100% ready definitely worth keeping an eye on
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     Aeder (aeder@stereophonic.space)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 09:05:27 JST Aeder

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     @sun @thatbrickster Wasn't that what Zig is trying to do?
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     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 13:51:17 JST 受不了包

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     @sun@shitposter.world @thatbrickster@shitposter.world ada
     this post sponsored by the department of defense

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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 19:25:55 JST Blurry Moon

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     @birdulon @thatbrickster can you ask them for more specific information about why not? I don't intend to argue about it, I'm just curious because I thought about Zig too.
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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 19:25:57 JST Birdulon

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     @thatbrickster @sun The person I know who is most invested into Zig recommends against anyone using it.
     
     I think "C but safer" is one of those naively underspecified goals where people idolize apparent simplicity only to go on a long journey discovering all the real reasons high level languages are the way they are.
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     England Lives (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 19:51:34 JST England Lives

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     @sun While I try and find it, I'll post this from a Rust guy not ready for Zig. https://turso.tech/blog/why-i-am-not-yet-ready-to-switch-to-zig-from-rust
     
     @birdulon
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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 23:32:24 JST Birdulon

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     @thatbrickster @sun oh yeah this lines up with my outside observations
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 23:34:15 JST Blurry Moon

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     @birdulon @thatbrickster this sounds agonizing
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     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Sep-2024 00:42:16 JST 受不了包

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     @sun@shitposter.world @birdulon@shpposter.club @thatbrickster@shitposter.world software devs will do literally anything except write good C++ code 🙄💅

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     受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Sep-2024 00:44:09 JST 受不了包

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     @birdulon@shpposter.club @thatbrickster@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world actually it's already tried, i did it for a client project and the utopia will be coming soon 😇

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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Sep-2024 00:44:10 JST Birdulon

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     @shibao @thatbrickster @sun good C++ code has never been tried