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is this an original greer take or did he take it from whitey on the moon/DR?
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@sickburnbro I'm confident that an awful lot of people arrived at this conclusion some time ago. Perhaps they were helped along with some of their phrasing by other thinkers, but I was told this by a space program guy in the 80s when I was a kid
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@KarlDahl what's weird is that I see all these POC wearing NASA stuff now, as NASA is the most useless it has ever been
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@KarlDahl in their group, they are.
It's like people who thought they were pretty smart in high school, and then got to college.
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@sickburnbro They associate it with high status - government program (liberal, $) for smart people (these 100 IQ nogs think they're smart)
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@KarlDahl I assume in 2024 the only line for that is possibly a PhD program
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@BroDrillard @KarlDahl @sickburnbro The problem is coding is essentially clerical work now. Yes, it does take some skill and time to learn it to do it well, but I've done stocking in warehouses, service sector work that required responsibility, and manual farm work that required you to also think and plan ahead. All low pay. And writing code and even designing an app is really not that much more complicated. It's not for everybody, but just because you can code does not make you a secret genius by any stretch. It's definitely not six figures.
So when I see people complaining on cs and coding subreddits about the state of the industry and how little companies are offering in pay today I have zero sympathy. They want high pay for what is essentially medium to low skill labour.
Now come up with something that is truly original. Show an ability to truly problem solve and not just "try things out in code," then I am all ears. Just show some originality and independence. But we have the same number of people in absolute terms who can do that that we had 40 years ago. They've just become swamped by all the new low skill guys who want to be treated like the genuine talent is.
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@petra @BroDrillard @KarlDahl It's not quite clerical work, I mean I suppose some might be that way, but when you are running experiments you need to manage data collection and analysis, so it is kind of just an extension of "doing the math"
I assume that for people doing websites it is just "layout work"
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@BroDrillard @KarlDahl @sickburnbro Yes. It's an utter shit show.
I've been in a hiring role and I give problems to solve involving algorithms. Not easy but there's only one or two of them and only part of the interview process. They literally cannot do the work. They'll immediately want to start writing code for whatever reason and I have to explain to them it's not a coding exercise. We don't do coding exercises. Just solve the problem. No clue.
Leetcode and Code Academy have had a very bad effect. People have every expectation that they just grind 100's if not a 1000 or more coding problems and that's their ticket to a 6 figure salary.
They don't want to have to think and resent it if you demand it from them.
Then we can start on basic literacy. Without using grammarly or some other AI assist for spelling, grammar and content. Again, no clue.
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Coding questions have been an industry trend for a couple decades (or more) now. It's not surprising candidates have gotten it into their heads that this is what's expected of them.
These days we have the "behavioral" questions trend, which is perhaps even more retarded. It filters out all the honest autistes who lack the "glibness of tongue or skill in lying" under pressure.
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@sickburnbro @KarlDahl No, unfortunately. Here graduate level programs have turned into another immigration pipeline, with universities charging 5+ times what a Canadian student pays. Instead of being exclusive these programs have been expanded with even former community colleges that taught trade skills expanded into "universities" with Bachelors programs and now Masters and Doctorates. Lots and lots of jeets. Drastically lowered standards.
Then you have to work with them.
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The trend started with shitlibs noticing people with college degrees earned more. Their ideology of equality didn't allow them to realize such people were smarter. Instead they decided it has to be the degree. So the push to put more and more (average or worse) people into college started. Then colleges noticed there's money to be made. We now have self-perpetuating vested interests getting more and more people edumacated, regardless of their competence and usefulness in the end. Which is devaluing degrees. The whole system needs to be replaced to reestablish competence.
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@sickburnbro @BroDrillard @KarlDahl Managing data collection and analysis is still fairly clerical technician level work. And that's fine. I'm not knocking it. But these people will have the word "scientist" or "engineer" inserted into their job title and suddenly they believe they are actual scientists or engineers.
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@petra @BroDrillard @KarlDahl data analysis is not clerical work; clerical work is running the data though established patterns of analysis where all the outliers have been categorized.
Bread up, Bro
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