hexehelicen
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It's just that I was pondering at which degree your claim of being Anarchist was correct
But I agree that given that Anarchism is pretty lightweight on the notion of rule...
I was intruiged how any form of Anarchism could be compatible with the notion of Trump's Rule
It is not that I consider you may have a divergent opinion... I have myself divergent opinions "inside" myself...
Church of Jeff
@hexehelicen -- The use of the term "Anarchism" is being confused with a philosophy of governance, but that is false. It is an action. Think of it like "Democracy".
It is an action that determines which philosophy of governing is used, but it isn't the governance itself.
Anarchism is the dismantling of governance, not a philosophy of governance.
I see it as defined by it's inherent LACK of governance.
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hexehelicen
@noricenolife @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews @CatDragon @jeffowski @mloxton @merneptah1209
I would totally accept the refutation from a political #anarchist or activist how my references to immaterial teachings may be a burden in my understanding the "real" anarchism...
hexehelicen
@noricenolife @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews @CatDragon @jeffowski @mloxton @merneptah1209
Just to illustrate why I consider myself close to Anarchism: thanks to my understanding of Zen-Buddhism and mostly Taoism
I have read several times that Lao-Ts the founder of Taoism could be thought of as the first Anarchist, or an antiquity form of Anarchism, where Tao is often (but not always) synonymous of auto-organisation, let organise naturally/ in the least contrasting way etc...
Church of Jeff
@mloxton -- Libertarians are just Fascist Conservatives that want to smoke weed.
Matthew Loxton
@jeffowski
Agreed
TBH, I view Anarchism and Libertarianism both as rather adolescent viewpoints - great for heated discussions over mulled wine on a chilly autumn Sunday afternoon by the river, but completely useless as approaches for practical problems like pandemics, floods, famine, and the big stuff like Climate Change, Industry 4.0, and demographic shift.
One cannot eradicate smallpox using either
Church of Jeff
@hexehelicen @mloxton -- A square is a rectangle, a rectangle isn't necessarily a square.
Auto-Organization can also be free-association, but free-association is not auto-organization.
hexehelicen
I am a bit stumbling on the sentence: "Auto-organization is just the precursor to operationalization and formalization, and the creation of structures of power, authority, and control that are the antithesis of Anarchism."
The reason is probably my associating auto-organization and Anarchism... in which case your statement can be "simplified" into Auto-Organisation -> Anarchism & antithesis Anarchism
I need to see how Free-Association is different than Auto-organisation
Matthew Loxton
@hexehelicen
Auto-organization is just the precursor to operationalization and formalization, and the creation of structures of power, authority, and control that are the antithesis of Anarchism.
My suggestion is to look at ideologies and tools of thought in terms of what problems they solve and whether they help solve important problems or not.
Feminism, for example. If I say how does Feminism approach reducing liver cancer incidence, it has specific and actionable answers.
hexehelicen
Just an answer out of my hat of idea permutations: if like @jeffowski claim Anarchy is an action , like the action of a tool
Then there is a proverb that a tool may not fit every usage. Like the hand with a hammer sees nails everywhere
That is at the same time a pros and a cons: it may not fix everything but may fix others
Gradually, auto-organisation is a solution used at many levels successfully, and it may have as well good and not so good results
(Not taken side)
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