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now all they need to do is realize this is true in cars as well
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@sickburnbro 💯
You can operate mechanical controls by feel, without taking your eyes off the road. Having to navigate through multiple touchscreen menus to change your a/c settings not so much.
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@Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD @sickburnbro There's that and every touch screen I've ever used has some level of latency to it that's particularly noticeable when trying to work the controls of car going 80mph down the highway.
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@EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD What's just painful with the stupid climate controls is that in the past you could use a physical thing to easily change the value to approximately where you wanted, but now you have to press-press-press or at best "long press where you have to look and woops overshot it"
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@BroDrillard @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD I can understand why they want to use a touchscreen given that all of the switches inevitably go into some digital system somewhere.
The problem is that the point of all of these systems it to make it easier for a human to operate them.
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Throwing in one shitty touchscreen is also cheaper than installing various switches. And those switches can't be cheap & shitty either because they have to last for years/decades.
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@SaltWraith @BroDrillard @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD Given that gear levers nowadays arent actual physical connections to an internal item in a gear box ( except for manuals ) it's not the worst thing ever, I guess.
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@BroDrillard @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD @sickburnbro they're also trying to phase out the gear lever.
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@SaltWraith @BroDrillard @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD yeah, I think you want something that simulates the physical connection so it is very difficult to accidentally put something into reverse.
Also I think a dial while trying to park will sucks.
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@sickburnbro @BroDrillard @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD well that's the argument, but the thing is they want to replace it with a dial or buttons and I don't think it's a good idea. Like the lever is much easier to use without looking so I think it's still a safer design
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@WilhelmIII @BroDrillard @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD @EvilSandmich @SaltWraith yeah. and it should make one wonder why they didn't catch on.
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There have been push-button automatic transmission gear selectors in the past.
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@sickburnbro @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD Touchscreen climate is the worst of all automotive humiliation rituals
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@BadOptniks @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD (yet)
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@sickburnbro @BroDrillard @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD I'm not like married to the idea of the gear shift lever, but you have to have something that you can get a good feel for without having to look at it. The problem with a lot of this replacement of individual buttons is that the replacements are even less intuitive than the previous design, so you know you're just getting a worse experience thanks to bean counters.
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@SaltWraith @BroDrillard @EvilSandmich @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD right. like when you are trying to park you don't want to have to keep looking to ensure you are hitting the right button or putting the dial at the right place.
With the level it's pretty easy to know the right height.
That said I could see someone designing a dial that had a similar heaviness in the feel with something tactile that make it easy to feel you were switching to reverse or drive.
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@WilhelmIII @BroDrillard @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD @EvilSandmich @SaltWraith expensive yes, but notice it didn't live on as luxury option.
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Only about 30 years between that pictured design and the Model T that had a foot shifter and hand throttle.
The push-button shifter was expensive and when everyone went cheap in the 1970s it went away.
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There are some really intelligently designed aspects of cars that people don't notice or think about. E.g. the shape and size of the pedals are different so you can tell which is which without looking.
This is the opposite of that.
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@sickburnbro @SaltWraith @BroDrillard @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD >except for manuals
I'll yet again note a sport version of the Corolla hatchback which I test-drove that was nominally a manual transmission, but was in actuality a paddle shifter on roids. The tolerances on those transmissions are too tight anymore to allow for sloppy human control.
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@EvilSandmich @SaltWraith @BroDrillard @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD yes, there are the newer dual clutch manuals that allow for paddle shifting and "automatic" settings.
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@sickburnbro Its true in every fucking vehicle, the simpler the controls, the easier it is to master.
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@WilhelmIII @BroDrillard @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD @EvilSandmich @SaltWraith for sure, but remember about plastic - the reason plastic got swapped in a lot of places was that it was cheaper, lighter and way more formable that metal. In the beginning people also thought it was more "futuristic" than metal tool.
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In the 1970s even the luxury cars started replacing painted metal and chromed controls with plastic buttons and knobs.
The streamlining of manufacturing meant that the radio and climate controls in a Pinto were the same parts that were in a Lincoln.
The 1950s and 1960s cars often had wildly changed controls and indicators between cars from the same manufacturer and even between the same model from one year to the next.
It was common to sit down in a 1950s truck and wonder where the start buttion was.
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Yeah, a lot of it was about tastes and marketing.
Other parts are about manufacturing processes and costs.
There's no single thing.
To the original topic, there's no reason that you can't have a tactile feel shift lever, about a quarter of the size of current ones, up on the dashboard.
I have a Toyota Sienna that has a physical PRNDL lever on the dash. Replacing it with an electronic shift selector, provided it retained the tactile feel, would not be a huge problem.
But making it touch screen would suck.
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@WilhelmIII @BroDrillard @Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD @EvilSandmich @SaltWraith yeah, shifters on the dash are usually done to free up physical space. There is a lot of interesting design elements to why that even matters. It used to be that with a rear drive sedan the entire transmission would live up quite high in order to keep the car low, so the transaxle was high up too and bla bla
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@sickburnbro @SaltWraith @BroDrillard @EvilSandmich My 2023 transit connect work van still has s physical cable for the shifter lever. The problem with shift by wire is that it makes it impossible to put the car in neutral if you have an electrical issue.
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@Dr_Edgar_Friendly_MD @SaltWraith @BroDrillard @EvilSandmich While that's certainly a concern, remember that a physical cable can suffer issues too.
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