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   BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Monday, 19-Aug-2024 10:31:06 JST BeAware :fediverse:

   Kinda infuriating that BlueSky forces people to login to see posts...😒

   I bridge and get punished for bridging because half of the posts are replying to posts I can't see...😑

   #BlueSky #Fediverse #BridgyFed #SocialMedia

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 08:48:35 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • mcc

     @mcc what data containment does Fedi have?🤔

     Everything is public here unless you're privately messaging someone or set your posts to "followers only"....there's not much privacy here...

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 08:48:36 JST mcc

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     @BeAware They decided unlike Mastodon they were going to do everything on a wide-open broadcast model, and then it turned out their users really really did not want a wide-open broadcast model and wanted Mastodon-style data containment, and so they bodged in some data containment but because it was added thoughtlessly after the fact it doesn't work cleanly like the Mastodon equivalent does :(

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 08:51:06 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋

     @mackuba @frumble @mho well, it made it useless for me to read BlueSky posts with a RE: in it, cause I never know if ill get the context.🤦♂️so frustrating.

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     Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋 (mackuba@martianbase.net)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 08:51:07 JST Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋

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     • Martin Holland

     @frumble @BeAware @mho It wasn't really something that Bluesky wanted to add, it's just that it was locked behind a login wall at first and some people got used to this, and when they said they would allow viewing posts without a login, some people protested - and eventually to satisfy them, they added this setting where you can hide your profile & posts from public viewing on bsky.app. But they're still all visible in the API and through other tools.

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     Maxi 10x 💉 (frumble@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 08:51:10 JST Maxi 10x 💉

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     • Martin Holland

     @BeAware @mho It’s almost as if #Bluesky doesn’t want you to un-silo its pseudo-federated social network? 🤔

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 09:50:24 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • ramblings

     @algebraicyclist yep, I know...still frustrating to be missing context for most of the BlueSky quote posts I see...

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     ramblings (algebraicyclist@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 09:50:25 JST ramblings

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     @BeAware that’s up to the poster; users can choose whether their posts are globally visible or gated behind a login

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 22:46:38 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Mans R

     @mansr @mcc I don't need to look it up. I run my own instance. Authorized Fetch ensures blocks are enforced by authorizing a user's activity through the Mastodon API.

     That does nothing to stop anyone from going to your profile page and reading your posts, nor does it stop anyone from subscribing to your RSS feed which you cannot turn off and won't know if someone subscribes to it...😬

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     Mans R (mansr@society.oftrolls.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 22:46:41 JST Mans R

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     @BeAware @mcc Look up "authorised fetch."

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:27:21 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Mans R

     @mansr @mcc there's an admin option for that in the Mastodon admin panel. It's strictly up to the admins of your instance, not individual users.

     "Hide the public timeline to users who aren't logged in"

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     Mans R (mansr@society.oftrolls.com)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:27:23 JST Mans R

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     @BeAware @mcc Some instances show nothing at all if you're not signed in. Whatever mechanism they use, the result is the same as those other sites that require login.

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:37:31 JST mcc

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     • Mans R

     @BeAware @mansr At the protocol level, what I'm referring to is that in general *servers do not receive statuses unless at least 1 user on that server is authorized to receive it*. If users are on megainstances like m.s or threads, this doesn't provide much containment. But when people use smaller instances, it does help. (And also the large instances are bigger legal targets so the admins might be less likely to violate privacy policies.) BSKY was originally designed as an open global broadcast

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:37:31 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Mans R

     @mcc @mansr but that is specifically Mastodon code that's not widely adopted across Fedi and *cannot* be relied on.

     Fediverse (ActivityPub) was developed as an open global broadcast.

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:38:32 JST mcc

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     @BeAware @mansr I *was* thinking about restricted-distribution posts such as followers only posts or DMs.

     I know authorized_fetch exists but not the details. It does seem to me that "but the admin can choose to make posts *additionally* visible via web" is somewhat orthogonal to what the base network does and doesn't allow for. Users who want web privacy technically *can* choose an authorized-fetch-only, no-web instance.

     I do not know how DMs are sent in bluesky. They are a new-ish feature.

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:38:44 JST mcc

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     @BeAware @mansr It seems doubtful to me that "followers only" posts will ever be possible on bluesky. That is a legitimately useful feature that is important to certain people I know.

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:39:18 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Mans R

     @mcc @mansr ah, I didn't understand that you were strictly talking about those types of posts. I missed that. My mistake.

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:41:01 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Mans R

     @mcc @mansr to your "admins can make posts available on the web", well...AP only has a few projects that don't have a web view. Mastodon doesn't have the option to *not* have a web view unfortunately. It's there if you're running mastodon.

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:48:23 JST mcc

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     @BeAware @mansr All I know is that using my baseline Mastodon instance I run into authorized_fetch posts I can't view in web fairly often.

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     BeAware :fediverse: (beaware@social.beaware.live)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 00:48:23 JST BeAware :fediverse:

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     • Mans R

     @mcc @mansr 🤔that might be because the admin of the instance set the "Hide public timeline of logged out users" setting.

     Interesting. Thanks for giving me something to look into more.