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   myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 22:56:43 JST myrmepropagandist

   Never knew designing a stove could be so complex. We were griping about touch controls yesterday... but a lot of people pointed out advantages of touch controls mainly:

   * easier to clean
   * can be easier to press under some circumstances and for some users.

   At the same time blind people, me, and tactile feedback enjoyers hate them.

   I think at least part of my dislike of touch controls comes from experiences with poorly calibrated sensors with bad debouncing and keypress software.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 22:56:41 JST Rich Felker

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     • Bruce MacDonald

     @rationaldoge @futurebird I consider front panel unsafe. It's within reach of small children, pets. Yes I know it's also an accessibility criterion for some users, but IMO it should only be installed where a user has that need.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 22:56:41 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Bruce MacDonald
     @dalias @rationaldoge @futurebird Well there's also some where the stove panel is at the top rather than at the front.
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     Bruce MacDonald (rationaldoge@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 22:56:42 JST Bruce MacDonald

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     @futurebird Well put.

     The membrane control panel is the only quibble I have against our induction range; we're used to exquisite sensitivity on our self-phone screens and the membrane just doesn't compare.

     Also, having to reach above a pot of boiling water to poke at the panel is sub-par.

     That's a design consideration I wish I had thought of when I was purchasing. I'd go with a front panel with rotary knobs if there's ever a next time.

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 23:04:25 JST myrmepropagandist

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     Basically it would be very hard to design a stove (for example) that meets all of these considerations at once.

     Touch controls are less expensive to manufacture, so they end up in a lot of cheap products. Often without much consideration for how difficult those products may be to use.

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     Dave Fischer (davefischer@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 23:05:44 JST Dave Fischer

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     @futurebird Was on a small boat (visiting a lighthouse) and the captain was complaining about the UI for the radar, which was a touchscreen, and... didn't work if your hands were wet. Oops.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 17-Aug-2024 07:57:19 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @apophis @dalias @rationaldoge @futurebird Top as in side of the pots, which is also what you have on all the induction stoves I've ever seen (and most use capacitive touch so you can't turn it off while wearing gloves, great design there…).
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     🐛 (apophis@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Saturday, 17-Aug-2024 07:57:20 JST 🐛

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Rich Felker
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     @lanodan @dalias @rationaldoge @futurebird that's hard to reach for short people (assuming this is like near the fan sort of top not like "the steam is hitting your fingertips as you manipulate the controls" top)
     
     but then short people are also prejudiced by controls on the back (in addition to the scalding)...