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   Codeberg.org (codeberg@social.anoxinon.de)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2024 03:04:47 JST Codeberg.org

   If Codeberg is trying to "compete" against GitHub and GitLab, why does it refuse to take a look at AI assistants? Apart from infringing on authors' rights and questionable output quality, we think that the current hype wave led by major companies will leave a climate disaster in its wake: https://disconnect.blog/generative-ai-is-a-climate-disaster/

   Other _sustainable_ (and cheaper!) ways for increasing efficiency in software development exist: In-project communication, powerful automation pipelines and reducing boilerplate.

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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2024 03:04:45 JST Fish of Rage

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     @Codeberg wait until u hear about the waste of time that is the number one use of GPUs: video games
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     Maddy :verifiedp2: (spudwart@mas.to)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2024 11:29:55 JST Maddy :verifiedp2:

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     @Codeberg any company or project that passes on AI has basically proven to me they’re competent.

     AI is the ultimate intelligence test. If you invest in it, you fail.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2024 11:30:16 JST Rich Felker

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     @Codeberg More broadly, I see "not trying to be an IDE"/not trying to be "VS code web edition" as a huge competitive advantage. GitHub completely broke their UI for actual use (reading code, studying history, researching bugs) by making it into an awful klunky editor that's completely unusable on mobile.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2024 11:30:17 JST Rich Felker

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     @Codeberg The biggest "competitive advantage" is *not having* unwanted AI garbage all over the place, not mining your users' code to offer to others as plagiarism material.

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     s_levi_s (s_levi_s@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 07:14:10 JST s_levi_s

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     @Codeberg

     Very weak argument imo.

     How are the servers for codeberg powered?

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     Codeberg.org (codeberg@social.anoxinon.de)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 07:14:10 JST Codeberg.org

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     • s_levi_s

     @s_levi_s Codeberg is running a single server (~130W) on renewable energy. We know that we can reach more efficiency, mostly because we don't benefit from scaling effects yet.

     The difference is more like this:
     - we do not encourage users to use more resources, because it would cost us more. Most competitors do the opposite (e.g. recommending the use of heavy CI pipelines), simply because it makes more revenue
     - we do not spend any computing power on tracking and unnecessary data collection

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     frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 07:35:28 JST frogzone

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     • mupan 📚

     @mupan @Codeberg thanks i'll look it up!

     > I added the link in the original toot
     interesting.... is that the toot starting with "I fully agree and add that »AI« is intended...."? the link isnt not showing up in ur toot still, maybe the edit isnt propagating but need to confirm that we're talking bout the same toot. :)

     >Thank you
     its my pleasure to help ppl fight the tecnofash :)

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     frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 07:35:30 JST frogzone

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     • mupan 📚

     @mupan @Codeberg well said.
     >Rainer Mühlhoff made clear in a C3 event not long ago that »AI« is a vast global data collection project
     im interested to see this.... is it on fedi or peertube?

     >feedback loops to collect training and socioeconomic data for GAFAM AI development and Big Data stores
     have you heard the the acronym CAGEMAFIA(includes cloudflare, e.muskrat, intel, akamai)?

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     mupan 📚 (mupan@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 07:35:30 JST mupan 📚

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     • frogzone

     @frogzone @Codeberg I didn’t know the acronym CAGEMAFIA before. Thank you.

     It’s almost in Fediverse, it’s on @mediacccde . Easiest browsed and searched with @newpipe. Since many asked (I’m happy!), I added the link in the original toot.

     Thank you for liking my phrasing.

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     mupan 📚 (mupan@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 07:35:32 JST mupan 📚

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     @Codeberg I fully agree and add that »AI« is intended, created and developed (further) to be a surveillance, manipulation, control, and oppression network in every net IT application far beyond the obvious quality and job killer features. Rainer Mühlhoff made clear in a C3 event not long ago that »AI« is a vast global data collection project failing the check against (almost) every social criterion in the United Nations sustainability charta. He has analysed our (the majority's) everyday’s IT routines, describes the mobile IT world and, more and more, PC net applications as feedback loops to collect training and socioeconomic data for GAFAM AI development and Big Data stores.

     KI – Macht – Ungleichheit. https://media.ccc.de/v/ce4743cc-50ad-4597-bcc8-58e1a7e53c20

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     mupan 📚 (mupan@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 07:35:54 JST mupan 📚

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     • frogzone

     @frogzone @Codeberg

     Yes, https://digitalcourage.social/@mupan/112893587229279358

     mupan - @Codeberg I fully agree and add that »AI« is intended, created and developed (further) to be a surveillance, manipulation, control, and oppression network in every net IT application far beyond the obvious quality and job killer features. Rainer Mühlhoff made clear in a C3 event not long ago that »AI« is a vast global data collection project failing the check against (almost) every social criterion in the United Nations sustainability charta. He has analysed our (the majority's) everyday’s IT routines, describes the mobile IT world and, more and more, PC net applications as feedback loops to collect training and socioeconomic data for GAFAM AI development and Big Data stores.

     KI – Macht – Ungleichheit. https://media.ccc.de/v/ce4743cc-50ad-4597-bcc8-58e1a7e53c20

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     Codeberg.org (codeberg@social.anoxinon.de)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 09:38:43 JST Codeberg.org

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     • s_levi_s

     @s_levi_s
     - we do not live in a careless "enterprice" environment: We reuse failing server SSDs for our private use, we know that others regularly replace just as a precaution
     - we do not spend excess resources on high availability, due to a simple 80/20 rule: 80% gain with 20% effort. We know we could add more spare servers, more sophisticated backups, replace hardware more often to avoid potential failures ... but we don't. It's a waste of resources (incl. our donations).

     ~f

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     Codeberg.org (codeberg@social.anoxinon.de)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 09:38:48 JST Codeberg.org

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     • s_levi_s

     @s_levi_s Our original argument was that we should improve society somewhat. Yet we participate in it, however, that does not contradict what we say, even if we were not doing all of these things.

     The problem with what you mentioned is that it is completely hypothetical (the article explains it), similarly to cryptocurrencies! And that even if it wasn't: Wasting hardware and AI scraping the entire Internet (not all of which is powered by renewable energy) 100 times is much less sustainable. ^n

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     s_levi_s (s_levi_s@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 09:38:49 JST s_levi_s

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     @Codeberg
     So the main difference is your claim to operate more energy efficient and waste less resources?

     You are still using resources... what is than the problem with an AI assistant created following your standards?

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     WERNERPRISE° — Thomas Werner (wernerprise@mastodon.bits-und-baeume.org)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 09:39:04 JST WERNERPRISE° — Thomas Werner

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     • Gerry McGovern

     @Codeberg

     Thank you. I’m following @gerrymcgovern who tirelessly points out the terrible, disastrous effects of “AI” on the environment.

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     gi124 (gi124@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 09:39:10 JST gi124

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     @Codeberg You're open source, and run by a non-profit. That's good enough for me, and I've started moving all my projects over.

     The fact that we see eye to eye on AI assistants isn't a co-incidence... 😄

     (Thank you for your wonderful and free service.)

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     Blaise Pabón (blaise@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 09:39:11 JST Blaise Pabón

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     @Codeberg
     Bravo!
     BTW, there's a difference between "compete with GitHub" and "emulate GitHub".

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     Andy Buckley (agbuckley@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 05-Aug-2024 09:39:16 JST Andy Buckley

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     @Codeberg Amen. Reduce boilerplate, don't automate its generation in code that then needs to be maintained

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