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   Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:27:05 JST Blurry Moon
   so thanks everybody for telling me that nouveau is up to par with proprietary drivers, turns out they're not
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     • Surströmming (selfhost arc)
     @xian @sun that or they're super autists who use certain "well supported" older cards with reclocking scripts and never leave the confines of the opengl ecosystem
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     Surströmming (selfhost arc) (xian@ak.kazuma.family)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:37:09 JST Surströmming (selfhost arc)

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     @sun people who believe that only use a web browser and nothing more
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:39:35 JST Phantasm

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     @mangeurdenuage @sun There's a difference between nouveau and nvidia-open drivers. The nvidia-open kernel drivers supersede nouveau.
     
     There's also a vulkan implementation in the works that isn't ready yet and isn't from nVidia (NVK)
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:39:36 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @sun This is the headline I had read, I didn't read the article. https://www.phoronix.com/review/nvidia-555-open
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:39:36 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @sun
     "The open-source kernel driver modules allow for confidential computing, Magnum IO GPUDirect Storage, Heterogeneous Memory Management, CPU affinity for GPU fault handlers, DMA-BUF support for CUDA allocations, and other features to come.
     
     As a reminder, the same (closed-source) user-space components for OpenGL / OpenCL / Vulkan / CUDA are used regardless of the NVIDIA kernel driver option with their official driver stack."
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:40:05 JST kaia

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     @sun gotta use proprietary for anything AI
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:42:46 JST 翠星石

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     @phnt >The nvidia-open kernel drivers supersede nouveau.
     No they do not - they're a completely different thing.
     
     Those kernel drivers are intended only for nvidia's proprietary driver that runs party in userspace, party on the GPU, which are useless for nouveau.
     
     NVK is a vulkan implementation for nouveau.
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     @kaia @sun And it will be ever thus. At least the official Nvidia kernel modules are open source now so conflicts over exporting GPL only symbols and tainting will be a thing of the past.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:50:27 JST Phantasm

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     @Suiseiseki Nobody cares about nouveau. The only ones that care run 10 year old GPUs that can barely output anything higher than 1080p.

     FOSSTard or GNUTard, not to be confused with a FOSSoid, is an insufferable person whose most prominent identity is Free Software advocacy (#FOSS advocacy) done the wrong way. These people can be identified online by the GNUJihad flag, or by the language they use when writing their long posts about how Free Software is better than proprietary software in every way. Usually by writing "Total proprietary death" or it's acronym "TPD" somewhere in the post.

     Instead of advocating for practical Free Software use, they support only 100% Free Software solutions while ignoring how broken and unusable they can be. Thus eliminating any potential new users of Free Software.

     Differences between a FOSSTard and FOSSoid

     FOSSoids are usually harmless and support Free Software only in places where it makes sense and try to develop solutions in places where Free Software doesn't work. They are non-argumentative and don't engage in long threads about Free Software. And if they do, they laugh at the stupidity of it.

     Differences between a FOSSTard and FLOSSTard

     FLOSSTards are a less harmful version of FOSSTards, who felt the urge to add the L in #FOSS, thus creating #FLOSS (Free and Libre Open-Source Software) and support the now popular dance from the game Fortnite. While also ignoring that free and libre means the same thing.

     Am I a FOSSTard?

     • Do you call Linux distros GNU/Linux or GNU+Linux distros? - Yes
     • Do you interject into random threads about software and talk about Free Software? - Yes
     • Do you have the GNUJihad flag in your biography on the Fediverse? - Probably yes
     • Do you use some non-free software and don't mind, because there are no alternatives? - No
     • Do you use GNUBoot instead of Libreboot? - Absolutely yes

     Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:52:33 JST 翠星石

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     @sun Freedom-wise, noveau is much better than the proprietary drivers.
     
     Nouveau allows you to at least get an image at native resolution without having to agree to a proprietary license and having to run some mystery meat huge .elf .run file that definitely don't contain malware and spyware, as well as proprietary software that runs on the GPU and does god-knows what (better hope you have IOMMU).
     
     If all you use is a web-browser and watch 1080p videos, you'll be pleased with nouveau's perfomance.
     
     
     The re-clocking implementation isn't great, as there are still a bunch of bottlenecks in the pipeline, but re-clocking just keep improving.
     
     Supertuxkart runs great, sometimes even hitting 1440p@120fps on a 780 Ti, although there are still issues with other games and 2d titles - but every free software game is still playable.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 21:57:48 JST 翠星石

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     @phnt >The only ones that care run 15 year old GPUs that can barely output anything higher than 1080p.
     I am writing this message to you now on a 1440p@120Hz monitor, which seems quite a lot higher than 1080p, plus it'll do 4k@60Hz.
     
     >is Free Software advocacy (#FOSS advocacy) done the wrong way.
     GNU/Jihad against "FOSS" degeneracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
     >Do you call Linux distros GNU/Linux or GNU+Linux distros? - Yes
     I call Linux distros (distributions of the kernel, Linux), Linux distros, GNU/Linux distros GNU/Linux distros and systemd/Linux distros, systemd/Linux.
     
     >Do you have the GNUJihad flag in your biography on the Fediverse? - Probably yes
     Look closer at it and you'll see what I think about "FOSS" and "open source".
     
     >Do you use some non-free software and don't mind, because there are no alternatives? - No
     The whole idea is free software replacements, not mere alternatives.
     
     In most cases a free software implementation came first, it's only that proprietary software companies love going and make a degenerate proprietary implementation.
     
     >Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max
     An iSheep eh? Colour me surprised.
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     0 (https://pl.absolutelyproprietary.org/users/0)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:05:15 JST 0

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     @sun I thought nouveau was just there till you got a real driver.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:05:39 JST Blurry Moon

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     @0 it's still buggy lol but you can blame nvidia for being dicks for that
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:06:14 JST Blurry Moon

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     @0 that said, unlike the official nvidia driver, it's not a graphical fucked up mess when you boot
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     0 (https://pl.absolutelyproprietary.org/users/0)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:06:29 JST 0

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     @sun It always a headache, I've had issues with both kinds of cards.
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     0 (https://pl.absolutelyproprietary.org/users/0)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:07:09 JST 0

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     @kaia @sun God help you if you need CUDA.
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:08:00 JST kaia

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     @0 @sun
     it works fairly okay on Arch Linux. only annoying thing is the constant updates to keep Stable Diffusion and text generation running.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:08:57 JST Blurry Moon

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     @kaia @0 I'm on Ubuntu 22.04 and every time anything updates, or sometimes when I reboot, I have to rebuild all the nvidia stuff because it stops working. pretty sick of it
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:11:00 JST lainy

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     @sun the easiest and most compatible way to run it is to just install windows and the windows nvidia drivers and then use the gpu in wsl2
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:11:49 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain installing windows physically grosses me out. I cause my own problems
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:16:21 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sun What? When?
     
     Nouveau is so bad it can basically only handle youtube videos and a very, very basic OS usage and browsing experience and that's it. Oh, and with HEAVILY fucked up colors
     
     Not only that but last OS reinstall and Nvidia drivers install I had to blacklist nouveau or else it would brick my fucking install
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:16:21 JST Blurry Moon

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew the mistake I made is I didn't know that nvidia's official driver is open source now
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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew @xian @sun well by Nouveau standards, usually Maxwell era cards (your 750s and such), no Vulkan but OpenGL is passable with manual reclocking, maybe 70-80% performance of the proprietary driver
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:20:34 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @allison @xian @sun there's a few cards that Nouveau actually supports well?
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:23:12 JST lainy

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     @kaia @0 @sun i just started putting everything in docker, i'm not keeping up with whatever python / cuda changes every single project wants
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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew @xian @sun yeah and no Vulkan is a huge deal (means no Proton and DXVK among other things), for gaming, you're much better served getting a card from Intel or AMD
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:23:29 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Surströmming (selfhost arc)
     @allison @xian @sun I see, I have a 1060
     
     But 750s and so are getting very old. I can still play a bunch of stuff and newer games (with bad performances) with my 1060, but anything older than that is... yeah
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:24:04 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain @kaia @0 guess I'll learn how to do this with lxc
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     jeff (jeff@mk.magicka.org)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:24:04 JST jeff

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.world @allison@hidamari.apartments @xian@ak.kazuma.family @sun@shitposter.world nvidia hired the nouveau guy to get it working with modern cards, it's about to get good

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     @jeff @sun @coolboymew @xian nvk is very promising for sure
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:24:26 JST lainy

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     @sun @kaia @0 you really want to make things harder for yourself
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:24:57 JST kaia

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     @lain @0 @sun
     sounds good. I'll ask Claude how to do that :FernPeek2:
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:25:07 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain @kaia @0 it feels easier because I can just ssh in and install stuff not build a static container repeatedly to make things work. but less people do it so you're probably right
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:25:16 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Surströmming (selfhost arc)
     @allison @xian @sun this was a pre-Linux usage purchase unfortunately
     
     Going AMD next card, build, and probably CPU? We'll see
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     @coolboymew @xian @sun I'm on the Intelmaxxing train myself but best of luck
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:27:08 JST lainy

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     @sun @kaia @0 both works, it's just that usually all projects these days have a dockerfile or even a docker compose, and then it's just `docker compose up` to run, `docker compose pull` to update. feel related.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:27:42 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain @kaia @0 oh if they have docker I'll just use it yeah, no reason to fight that
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:29:00 JST lainy

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     @sun @kaia @0 i'm using lxc via proxmox on my homeserver, i like it a lot, works pretty well but it's an amd gpu so i'm not doing much with it, gpu wise.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Aug-2024 22:29:46 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain @kaia @0 I was using raw lxc on my old fedi server. on the new one I installed lxd and was like "this is infinitely better why would anyone use raw lxc"