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   Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:38:31 JST Blurry Moon
   things are bad, but people in countries with conditions far worse than yours are less depressed, curious.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:40:27 JST lainy

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     @sun it's a more artistic style of feeling bad, in the west.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:47:35 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain I have complicated feelings about it because being depressed because of circumstances is valid but it seems clear that circumstances that inhibit your ability to normally interact with others is worse than being poor or even not seeing a lot of hope for the future (being poor is worse for other reasons, you can be not-depressed and die young)
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     SKracket (skracket@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:47:51 JST SKracket

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     Name me one country that's faggier than mine, and britbong island doesn't count
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:50:48 JST lainy

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     @sun yeah, i don't doubt that many people are really depressed and i know that it's not something that you can just snap out of, but the solutions seem lacking. actually changing your life to one that you don't hate is not often discussed.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:50:59 JST Blurry Moon

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     @apropos I attempted to address that here: https://shitposter.world/notice/AkGXGaMOg31GHh0Bma
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:51:01 JST of nothing

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     a. there's a different allocation of badness in the conditions. Mass loneliness and child labor are both a single bad thing to put on a list of bad conditions, but don't have the same effect on general human happiness the same way.
     b. there's a different point of comparison. Just like the coldest you might ever feel is in the middle of a desert at 100+F because your body had adapted to 130F and the temperature changed much faster than you're used to, the west remember really good times and now have mediocre times, whereas the non-west remember abysmal times and now have sub-mediocre times.
     c. depression is an independent variable from bad conditions, and observing it in a society is like observing rampant endemic disease in a body: such disease is not the cause of ill health, but its growth is an opportunistic response to the immune system's collapse.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:53:45 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain When I look back at my education I don't believe it trained me in any way for self-actualization, it pretty much just trained me to be a worker bee with time for hobbies.
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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:55:57 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @lain @sun
     >actually changing your life to one that you don't hate
     i did this and i still get depressed.
     even in fully automated luxury gay space communism, people will go through "tough times". i believe its just a feature/bug of the brain, like sleep or nostalgia or deja vu
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:55:57 JST lainy

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why @sun you're just a professional
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     anemone@ebiverse.social's status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:57:06 JST anemone

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     @sun@shitposter.world @lain@lain.com humans are social animals and modern 1st world society doesn't satisfy those needs. if we had the social requirements of cats or sth we'd probably all be incredibly happy

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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:57:33 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @lain @sun he is literally me
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:58:18 JST lainy

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why @sun come on man she's too young
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:58:57 JST lainy

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     @sun by now i doubt that any learning takes place at all during most people's education
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:59:33 JST lainy

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     @teto @sun @why you mean cute and funny?
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     racist teto (teto@cawfee.club)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:59:34 JST racist teto

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why @lain @sun that movie was so... offputting
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 04:59:38 JST Blurry Moon

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     @anemone @lain we probably should not have systematically destroyed or subverted all socialization in the west trying to prevent fascism, that was short-sighted
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:01:48 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain I have a friend that was a school teacher for many years and goes back to sub sometimes and by 2010 he said it was beyond repair
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:03:10 JST lainy

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     @sun i don't even think mine was much better, everything of consequence i learned on my own, from books, from magazines, from friends....
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:05:24 JST lainy

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     @anemone @sun well, neither succeeded
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     anemone@ebiverse.social's status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:05:25 JST anemone

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     @sun@shitposter.world @lain@lain.com trying to prevent communism

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:06:37 JST lainy

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     • Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)
     @why @anemone @sun THIS SUMMER
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     Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?) (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:06:38 JST Kimochi Whyui (Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?)

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     @lain @anemone @sun UNTIL NOW
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:07:03 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain mine was good actually! but it trained me for a world that doesn't exist anymore. So I know all kinds of facts about things that you used to be expected to know and kind of had use before socially.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:08:47 JST lainy

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     @sun i guess that's part of my point, useless trivia (or just wrong propaganda) isn't an education
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:11:11 JST Phantasm

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     @lain @sun The only education outside of primary/secondary and to some extent high school is the type of education you can immediately forget after completing an exam/finishing studies. Nothing that has impact in the real world.
     
     What makes this even worse is that you will likely never be taken as seriously as someone that has a degree in the same topic if you are self-taught. Even if you have the same or better knowledge about the subject.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:12:38 JST Blurry Moon

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     @anemone @lain deep american lore
     
     part of the post ww2 order was replacing all social order with government programs that could be administered top down. deep fear that what happened in germany could happen in usa through social clubs and fraternal orders.
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     0 (https://gh0st.live/users/0)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:12:57 JST 0

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     @sun i get suspicious when things go too well, like there's a natural amount of problems and if they're not cropping up someone trying to fool me, no free lunch
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:14:34 JST lainy

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     @sun @anemone deep fear that america could become fascist so they put people in camps, started government work programs and banned parties
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:17:41 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain I am still trying to figure out my feelings on it but things like the composition of the different planets or biology/chemistry just doesn't help you in life. but getting exposed to a bunch of things can help you figure out what you're interested in so it's not worthless. I know some homeschooled kids that were better at figuring out their interests and they have super interesting and fulfilling lives, moreso than the people I went to school with (my life is good, I was fortunate in a variety of ways)
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:19:03 JST Blurry Moon

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     @anemone @lain I think there's only been a deep state since ww2
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     anemone@ebiverse.social's status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:19:04 JST anemone

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     @sun@shitposter.world @lain@lain.com deep lore about the deep state

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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:20:14 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain @anemone us v them is a powerful drug I guess
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     anemone@ebiverse.social's status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:21:20 JST anemone

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     @sun@shitposter.world @lain@lain.com the usa can't fall to fascism if we make it fascist ourselves first!

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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:22:06 JST Blurry Moon

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     @anemone @lain this is literally (my interpretation) what william f buckley stood for
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:26:29 JST lainy

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     > but getting exposed to a bunch of things can help you figure out what you're interested in so it's not worthless.
     
     i think the way it's done in the schools that i know it's less than worthless, because everything was taught in a way that could make the most interesting subject feel boring.
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:41:40 JST H. Faust

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     @sun I don't want US-like problems in my life
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:41:52 JST of nothing

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     @lain @sun and the "exposure" is always in the context of spending most of your time doing literally nothing, - waiting in halls, waiting to eat, waiting for class to start, waiting for the day to end, waiting to get permission to go pee, waiting for the bus, waiting for noise to die down, waiting for others to finish. What you learn can't be focused on a productive task but has to be squeezed into information that can easily tested. You can't have high standards because too many people won't meet them. You can't ask questions that get real answers because it'd mean too much discussion outside what's on the test. In any conflict the real crime was always against classroom order and, actually, you're worse than the instigator for 'escalating' and not letting the conflict die out as soon as the instigator was done abusing you.
     
     There are benefits, but the point of comparison isn't "no benefits", it's the benefits you would've gotten in the alternative. The tall dude on the Angry Joe show, describing a movie that he got something out of, described the experience as like enjoying a "second harvest" - eating shit that has indigested food in it, so that you can get nutrition from those little bits of food.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:42:37 JST lainy

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     @apropos @sun i go back to this a lot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom%27s_2_sigma_problem
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:42:52 JST lainy

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     @hfaust @sun point is move to kuwait
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:47:28 JST Blurry Moon

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     @apropos @lain I do want to mention that focusing on the test wasn't ever a big thing in the USA at all compared to europe, at least until AFTER "no child left behind" which, in my unique analysis, was really an indirect way to fire incredibly bad teachers by just shutting down the entire school (and implement "school choice"/private/magnet/etc.) and the tests you got for that were really "oh please god you should at least know these things" like, if a school had to switch to only "teaching to the test" then for all the alleged benefits of well rounded schooling students weren't ending up learning the most important things they should have been learning.
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:47:39 JST H. Faust

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     @lain @sun I'd rather move to Finland, the happiest place on Earth (tm)
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:48:13 JST lainy

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     @hfaust @sun i can say that costa rica was literally the most beautiful place i've ever been and everyone was super positive #puravida
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 05:48:14 JST H. Faust

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     @sun I don't know if living in Costa Rica would make me less depressed, but right now the issues at hand are manageable where I live, but I suppose in richer countries the problems seem too difficult to fix.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:30:17 JST Blurry Moon

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     @union @lain so, I did find out that some teachers wanted me in some gifted classes but the process was your parents had to beg to get you in and my parents didn't know this.
     
     most of the people in the gifted classes I knew about never left my home town :-(
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     Account: Politics (union@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:30:18 JST Account: Politics

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     @sun @lain About training worker bees, I saw something else as my kids were growing up, although it might've not been the case for you. Every step of the way, every teacher or counselor aimed to separate kids into two groups: "sheeps" and "leaders". They focused heavily on identifying leader candidates, and then fostering them. Everyone who failed selection was dumped into a worker bee class. By the high school time it takes one glance at the admission statement to tell who was in and who was out. The process was egalitarian, although parents who were conscious about it could prime the child for passing. The "leaders" were taught to dominate the worker bees effectively.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:37:40 JST lainy

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     @sun @union my sister was in a gifted class and it was a very bad decision.
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     Account: Politics (union@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:38:14 JST Account: Politics

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     @sun @lain I did all of that. One time we traveled for a gifted youth camp in JHU in Baltimore, where a homeless badgered me until I gave him $20 (because I had a small girl in tow, I could not try him out). Another time we sent her on a gifted youth cruise at a sailboat, and she returned with lice.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:40:35 JST lainy

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     @amerika @union @sun why would the 100s in teaching be looking for 125s?
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     ≠ (amerika@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:40:36 JST ≠

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     @union @lain @sun
     
     They're looking for the over-125s who can run things.
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     Zettour (zettour@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:40:55 JST Zettour

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     @sun @lain @union The gifted program at my school consisted entirely of leaving normal classes at will to play computer games, you missed out.
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     Account: Politics (union@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:41:48 JST Account: Politics

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     @lain @amerika @sun By orders from the senseless and ruthless machine of oppression, that's why.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:42:26 JST lainy

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     @union @amerika @sun i still don't believe it. failing to integrate young high achievers into the elite is the main issue of most western countries
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     Account: Politics (union@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:50:06 JST Account: Politics

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     @lain @amerika @sun
     Well duh. It's a top-down crisis of competency. They can't even shoot Trump from 100 meters away. But this is how the machine used to work, I provided the testimony.
     
     The ultimate result in my daughter's case was this: she spends her time sitting in her pajamas, abusing her worthless underlings remotely, and sharing the hate of Reagan on Tumblr all day long. She graduated from a college that had 90% job acceptance rate and worked in the field where she majored. But that's where she ran out of steam.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 06:55:07 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @sun @lain Imagine having both of these issues haha.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Jul-2024 10:43:56 JST lainy

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     @hakui @sun
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     @lain @sun don't let schooling get in the way of your education
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