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   goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jul-2024 21:15:18 JST goatsarah
   Just seen the best bit of commentary on transmisogyny I’ve seen in ages: if you want to know how a man treats cis women in private, look at how he treats trans women in public.
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     michellelaverickmusic (michellelaverickmusic@folksocial.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jul-2024 22:11:50 JST michellelaverickmusic

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     @goatsarah - ain't that the truth... its because those men see us as sub-female. They don't feel they even need to go thru the motions of appearing to be a good person. They can pass GO, and great to stri8 to toxicity...

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jul-2024 23:09:12 JST goatsarah

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     • Justin Macleod
     @JustinMac84 and by the same token, it’s perfectly possible for someone saying what you just said to have a different definition of healthy and normal than the women in his life.
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     Justin Macleod (justinmac84@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jul-2024 23:09:13 JST Justin Macleod

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     @goatsarah I don't see how this makes sense. It's perfectly possible for someone to be transphobic but have perfectly healthy and normal relationships with anyone who isn't trans. It seems quite the leep to say look how he mistreats trans people, he must, therefore, mistreat people who are not trans. 😕

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     canleaf08 ⌘ ✅ (canleaf@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jul-2024 23:13:08 JST canleaf08 ⌘ ✅

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     @goatsarah A lot of these “We only treat cis women right” likes are very ugly towards percieved cis women, if they demand freedom of expression, freedom of choice, equal rights…

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Wednesday, 17-Jul-2024 23:14:10 JST goatsarah

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     • canleaf08 ⌘ ✅
     @canleaf we are the canaries in so many coal mines.
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     Jay (whitecattamer@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 01:48:46 JST Jay

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     • Justin Macleod

     @JustinMac84 @goatsarah To be transphobic, one must lack the ability or willingness to extend empathy to those whose lives are unlike one’s own, and to treat them as full and complete human beings.

     This failure is mirrored in misogyny, whether the person recognizes it as such or not. “Treating them right”, when you can’t understand how THEY wish to be treated, is merely “commit no obvious violence towards them”, but it is not “respect their personhood”.

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     Jay (whitecattamer@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 01:51:16 JST Jay

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     @JustinMac84 @goatsarah Bigotry is based in a lack of empathy paired with a background hum of discrimination as the person moves through society, and part of that discrimination is a failure to recognize what IS discrimination. It rarely keeps to its own little box.

     You are approaching this from an active and aware kind of hatred perspective - “has it in for” - which is not how many bigots act; they defend themselves as not -ist all the time.

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     Justin Macleod (justinmac84@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 01:51:17 JST Justin Macleod

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     • Jay

     @WhiteCatTamer @goatsarah One can be racist without being sexist, homophobic without being xenophobic, transphobic without being homophobic. To say you are one therefore you must be all is nonsense. If someone, for whatever reason, has it in for trans people, it does not follow that he has it in for sys people of a different genda.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 01:53:45 JST goatsarah

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     • Jay
     @JustinMac84 @WhiteCatTamer “Their”
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     Justin Macleod (justinmac84@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 01:53:46 JST Justin Macleod

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     @WhiteCatTamer @goatsarah All agreed with, but none of that proves that just because you are unwhittingly one thing, you are also that other thing. It's the labelling someone as such with no evidence other than their behaviour in another, related but different, area, that I take strong issue with. Let's come at this from another angle. A sys woman mistreates a trans woman because of their identity. Would you say she's missoginistic to sys women?

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     ajlanes (ajlanes@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 01:56:41 JST ajlanes

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     • Justin Macleod
     @JustinMac84 This is not a logic problem.
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     Justin Macleod (justinmac84@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 01:56:42 JST Justin Macleod

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     @goatsarah anything's possible, but the OP says "if this person does x, he must also do y". That's a generalisation that logic simply doesn't support. Given that transphobia and misoginy are different traits, there is nothing to say that a negative behaviour directed at one person for one cause would be directed at another for a different one. What I'm trying to say is that, if we both agree the things in my post are possible, it follows that the OP cannot be stated as fact.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 01:57:43 JST goatsarah

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     • ajlanes
     @ajlanes @JustinMac84
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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 04:01:01 JST goatsarah

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     @JustinMac84 @WhiteCatTamer the word you wanted was “her”
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     Justin Macleod (justinmac84@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 04:01:02 JST Justin Macleod

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     @goatsarah @WhiteCatTamer I think you're taking issue with the second "their" of my post this references. I was thinking woman/women in my head, since we're not talking about the choice to mistreat an individual, rather the choice to mistreat an individual based on their membership of a group, making it likely they'd do the same with any group member. which there wasn't space to write. Apologies for the lack of clarity, if I have you write.

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     Justin Macleod (justinmac84@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 15:15:06 JST Justin Macleod

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     @goatsarah @ajlanes I'm blind. Can't see the image.

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     ajlanes (ajlanes@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jul-2024 15:15:06 JST ajlanes

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     @JustinMac84 It is an image of a man holding his finger to the lips of a woman to silence her while he fills the rest of the frame with BLAH BLAH BLAH.
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