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   omen of instance annihilation (coolbean@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 03:52:13 JST omen of instance annihilation

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   @mischievoustomato @fiore @meeper i hate how im this autistic cause i want to use openbsd instead of all this crap and i just cant
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     i'm autism enough to realize that unix is the samsara and we must escape it to acheive computer enlightment
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     :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 03:57:32 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     @fiore @coolbean @mischievoustomato @meeper it makes a lot of sense actually, for the "why", see for example http://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/
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     φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 03:57:33 JST φ

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     @coolbean @meeper @mischievoustomato what are the reasons you might want to move away from unix ?? like , does it even make any sense ? isnt “unix” pretty much a synonim for “os” nowadays, except for like windows ?

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     @meeper @fiore @mischievoustomato this is correct but also in my opinion most alternatives either have the same issues or fail to cover the things that made unix enjoyable in the first place
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     बुद्धीविनाषक् भेड़ मीपर् [Meeper] (meeper@udongein.xyz)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 04:00:32 JST बुद्धीविनाषक् भेड़ मीपर् [Meeper]

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     @coolbean @fiore @mischievoustomato
     
     eh the issue is that unix is shitty but it's still good enough that the people who would want something else aren't willing to make the effort
     
     and when bill gates fucked over the world with windows and it's monopoly getting a new os into the market is quite impossible (and just how the Computer Science industry fell into the gutter)
     
     9front is one popular non unix with a decent following keeping it alive
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     बुद्धीविनाषक् भेड़ मीपर् [Meeper] (meeper@udongein.xyz)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 04:00:43 JST बुद्धीविनाषक् भेड़ मीपर् [Meeper]

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     @coolbean @fiore @mischievoustomato yeah almost everything about unix is quite outdated and the new things don't really fix or mesh with the idealogy (consider how the gui should just be like a shell, but writing an application requires a lot of programming unlike a shell script, comare this with (plan)9front
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     @fiore @meeper @mischievoustomato i mean theres some pretty major things that are quite archaic about unix, like how our libcs are tied to a completely outdated view of how text on modern systems should work because they were standardised prior to the proliferation of utf-8
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     @meeper @coolbean @fiore @mischievoustomato As nd even Linux is taking steps away from a classical Unix/POSIX model, see for example io_uring and the deep integration of eBPF
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 04:02:43 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @meeper @coolbean @fiore @mischievoustomato isn't plan9 more unix than unix though
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     @allison @coolbean @fiore @mischievoustomato and the problem with loonicks is just that it's hard to shed it's roots and the new things won't work well or correctly to be used properly (namespaces for example)
     and it becomes ever a more complex torment nexus of a software
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     @sun @fiore @mischievoustomato @meeper only in a way, its closer to the design philosophy behind unix, but in that it actually diverges a ton from unix as it ended up
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     @coolbean @fiore @mischievoustomato @meeper doesn't it actually deliver on "everything is a file"
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     @coolbean @meeper @mischievoustomato yea but what i meant was more . that unix is so important and foundationsl that whatever os pops up thats “non” unix , just ends up being “unix-like” or “unix-lite”, at least in philosophy . i feel like in that sense , unix just wont go away , just look at linux

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     @fiore @coolbean @mischievoustomato @meeper it can be safely compartmentalized away if you're clever with your design, qnx is probably the standout example here
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     @sun @coolbean @fiore @mischievoustomato plan9 doesn't even have a $PATH and everything is mounted to a single /bin directory
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     @sun @coolbean @fiore @mischievoustomato
     
     plan9 is more 'everything is a filesystem' and you can mount a lot of shit like http, ftp, ssh, windkw servers etc
     
     allows you to do dumb shit like adding a mouse input remotely by mounting the filesystem from the host to the quest
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     @fiore @coolbean @mischievoustomato eh don't worry I developed most my thoughts around this before writing much of code at all, really doesn't take.any knowledge of code to consider how a system should interface with you
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     @coolbean @meeper @mischievoustomato also i dont probably know what im talking about bc im not a dev and im mostly going off of what i hear , sk feel free to disregard me without worries