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   Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:00:54 JST Sick Sun
   how do you even get started learning music like notes and shit
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     Niggy Hardare (j@cawfee.club)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:04:10 JST Niggy Hardare

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     @sun Idk, I can play a bit but Idk how I'd teach. I can just identify it by ear.
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     AWIVR (awivr@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:04:16 JST AWIVR

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     @sun duolingo has music now
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:04:16 JST Sick Sun

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     @AWIVR wat
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:05:09 JST Sick Sun

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     @why making music.
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     You Will Never Know Why (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:05:10 JST You Will Never Know Why

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     @sun music theory like making music, or just basic reading music notation?
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:05:40 JST Sick Sun

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     @why I am starting to notice the structure of music so I think it's time to latch onto the moment and learn how to make it.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:08:10 JST Sick Sun

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     @why great just great
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     You Will Never Know Why (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:08:11 JST You Will Never Know Why

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     @sun get ready to basically learn a new version of math that does not follow mathematical laws in any sensible way
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     meso (meso@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:08:18 JST meso

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     @sun @why this happened to me but no one ever explains how the notes and shit work
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     Rehn (rehnsturm256@shota.house)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:09:26 JST Rehn

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     @sun what instrument? As a wee lad I started with this book, moved onward from there.

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     John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:09:42 JST John Fediverse

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     @sun Piano lessons. If you don't want to spring for those, get a cheap keyboard and find a way to learn on your own.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:09:51 JST Sick Sun

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     @mrsaturday I have a keyboard so I can use that
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:11:37 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @sun stay off my turf fucker
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:11:37 JST Sick Sun

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     @augustus if this is anythign like computers I'll have it mastered in a day. You better watch out.
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     You Will Never Know Why (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:12:24 JST You Will Never Know Why

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     @mrsaturday @sun i was taught piano at a young age but picked up on zero music theory ideas. learning guitar recently has given me more familiarity with chord progressions and like augmenting things. since guitar notation often just summarizes by chord name you are incentivized to memorize what the chord IS and not just where your fingers have to be.
     or maybe its just my adult brain is more willing to accept music theory concepts
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     AWIVR (awivr@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:22:32 JST AWIVR

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     @sun blog.duolingo.com/music-course/
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:24:15 JST Sick Sun

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     @augustus I am going to start with trackers and see if I can avoid actually learning how to use the piano at all because I want to focus on composition not on experties at playing. I am only really interested in electronic sound so I won't ever miss how great real instruments sound.
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:24:16 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @sun you could probably make decent electronic music, that would vibe well with having computer-brain. look into retriggering if you get into trackers
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:24:56 JST Sick Sun

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     @AWIVR wow this is perfect, thank you.
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     Christmas Man (christmas_man@thebag.social)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:25:06 JST Christmas Man

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     Only one way to Start: hot crossed buns and a recorder
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     0 (https://gh0st.live/users/0)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:27:10 JST 0

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     I make the orangery, you make the symphony, leave augustus with shitposts. Heartless.
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     guizzy (guizzy@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:27:27 JST guizzy

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     @sun I learned it in high school, look for solfège classes/learning material.
     
     If you want to learn in a more practical context, learn piano. It is the one instrument to learn if you want to learn music as a whole.
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     guizzy (guizzy@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:39:41 JST guizzy

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     @mrsaturday @why @sun Piano is great for general "music" learning because it's complete. It covers the whole staff, it does notes and chords, keys, it covers melody, rhythm, accompaniment, it can cover almost any part in any song. You can also play most songs in a way that feels "complete" on your own on the piano.
     
     I tried to (well, keyboard, but pretty much the same conceptually), but I never could learn it, it feels way too overwhelming to me.
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     John Fediverse (mrsaturday@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:39:42 JST John Fediverse

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     @why @sun That's fair. I figured piano was a good starting point because it's very much a WYSIWYG instrument as far as what you do and what the notes say to do on paper, and how you learn how to read music as you learn how to play it. I can see how it'd have its disadvantages over what you have to learn with other instruments, though.
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 05:39:51 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @sun learn the diatonic chords, and then realize you only ever need I IV and V. I can listen to the most complicated Chopin piece ever and its always just i iv V erry time
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     JollyWizard (jollywizard@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 06:03:07 JST JollyWizard

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     @sun @augustus bad idea imo. trackers are very complicated and a hard way to learn.
     
     use FL studio. it's nerd oriented and not tied to musician / theory thinking. it's very visual and easy to pirate.
     
     start with loops. move on to copy paste change. then get into effects.
     
     then just practice experimenting with the keyboard. start using it to record your riffs, then move on to jamming over looks
     
     i know most people who use this method have fun and develop a portfolio. most people who try to learn music theory give up fairly fast and do more work then have fun.
     
     I recorded this song one take in the middle of the night. it's not even one of my better ones, but I did this with minimal formal and theory training. just years of having fun. I couldn't tell you a single thing about what key or scale or anything.
     
     on.soundcloud.com/GAV1V
     
     also, stick to just the white or just the black keys if you have trouble staying in key. you can then use transpose (+/-1 shift) to change key.
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 06:03:07 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @JollyWizard @sun theory is just a formal language to describe what's happening and helps people reason about it. that track you linked sounds like its mostly pentatonic improv. everyone has their own way of approaching music and there is no correct or incorrect way imo
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     JollyWizard (jollywizard@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 22:56:57 JST JollyWizard

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     @augustus @sun Agreed, especially on the JUST, and that's why I always try to warn people when they are interested in music that it is not the only path.
     
     many people have this idea that theory is fundamental to being a musician and learning music. many people get a little exposure to theory and start to think well I could never be a real musician then, because it would be too far a path to travel.
     
     my development in making music was held back for many years because I struggled trying to apply theory and practice traditional techniques, and I am fairly nerd brain. I have seen so many people give up on music going the traditional theory and rote practice based path.
     
     and I know from experience that, as cool and interesting as they are, that trackers are just a hard way to reason about music, especially as a beginner, and a hard way to sequence music more complex than single loops. I would recommend them over study theory first, but not by much.
     
     I personally think products like synthesia, and Rocksmith 2014 (now abandoned but piratable) are much better path to developing physical music skills than traditional lessons or theory study.
     
     but at the end of the day, an agile and visually experimental path is the most friendly to beginners who aren't focused on tangible skills.
     
     That's why I like and recommend FL studio, especially newer versions, while many prefer more musician friendly or simplified takes on the process. I think it is the best avenue for starting out from a fresh pallette, offers the most versatile options for changing modes of development, and acclimates you to all of the DAW skills that would be more streamlined in other software for specific modes of thinking.
     
     People who already have some training already would probably be best to consider something like reaper, which is less complex and streamlined towards their existing process.
     
     People who are toy players are probably best to get into ACID or Ableton, but those are hard to get into for free and are best if you have invested in the toys already, imo.
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     augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Jul-2024 23:14:56 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @JollyWizard @sun I have no formal training in theory but I could probably pass the grade 4 or 5 exam based on test results I got the accrediting body's site. I defend theory because people should have high standards and at some point need to stop being afraid of it and git gud. it should never come first though, it should always be a post-hoc language for describing what was made by divine spark
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