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   Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 23:05:29 JST Aral Balkan

   Fedora: “The Fedora Quality Team is joining Week of Diversity with an Accessibility Test Week!

   Much like other Test Days, the goal of this week is to put Fedora through its paces and catch as many accessibility related issues as we can for our disable users.”

   Me: Fedora, your screen reader is broken.

   Fedora guy: Patches welcome 👍

   Me: *reaches for block button*

   From the actually-what-you’re-referring-to-as-ableism-is-GNU/ableism-department

   #foss #a11y #accessibility #fedora #ffs

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 23:07:25 JST Aral Balkan

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     Background: It’s not just Fedora. Every Linux distribution that ships with Wayland by default – and that’s almost every major Linux distribution – ships with a broken/unusable screen reader at the moment.

     (Read that again until it really sinks in. Yep. I know. Uh-huh. Really.)

     #Linux #a11y #wayland #accessibility #screenReader

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     John Wyatt 🐧 (sageofredondo@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jun-2024 04:27:07 JST John Wyatt 🐧

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     @aral when you say patches welcome. Is there a protocol for this for Wayland?

     I just tried Orca on GNOME Wayland. It was pretty terrible. The Orca documentation kept saying to use the Orca modifier key but did not say what the default was in the getting started page.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jun-2024 04:27:07 JST Aral Balkan

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     @sageofredondo They’re working on fixing it for the next release. But it’s been in the major Linux distributions for quite a while now. (Basically, the modifier key/ keyboard control doesn’t work. So the screen reader doesn’t work.)

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     Talon (talon@dragonscave.space)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jun-2024 17:47:13 JST Talon

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     @Doomed_Daniel @aral "The other major thing I need to work on soon is documentation. My current contract with the GNOME Foundation is ending soon, and we need to make sure that my current work is documented well enough that someone else can continue it if needed. This blog post itself is a step in that direction." Well that's not worrying at all...

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     Daniel Gibson (doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jun-2024 17:47:14 JST Daniel Gibson

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     @aral
     FWIW, it looks like at least Gnome is finally working on it: https://blogs.gnome.org/a11y/2024/06/18/update-on-newton-the-wayland-native-accessibility-project/

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     :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:10:53 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

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     @aral@mastodon.ar.al You could contribute to improve, I don't see how that's a blockable response?

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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:13:14 JST Zergling_man

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     • Gnarley Boot
     @gnarley_boot @aral I dunno, I think it's reasonable to want screenreaders to work on a free operating system. You shouldn't have to choose between one or the other.
     But also yeah, fix it yourself, using xorg.
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     Gnarley Boot (gnarley_boot@norwoodzero.net)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:13:15 JST Gnarley Boot

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     @Zergling_man @aral
     
     Such an absurd thing to bitch about. If a blind person is savvy enough to use fucking Linux, then they will figure out a way to get a screen reader working. Or they won't use Linux, it's that simple. But this faggot Aral thinks unpaid volunteers owe the world something, while refusing to help. Communist brainrot mang...
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:13:16 JST Zergling_man

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     @aral nigger
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:13:35 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Gnarley Boot
     My theory is that wayland is just one of many long term moves to take control away from the user in the name of security, including by eliminating network transparency through the destruction of the client-server model that had be central to linux for decades.
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     Gnarley Boot (gnarley_boot@norwoodzero.net)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:13:36 JST Gnarley Boot

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     @Zergling_man @aral
     
     This also proves my point that this forced adoption of wayshit by the wayshit cult (YES THEY ARE A FUCKING CULT), is causing these problems with stability and functionality. Linux was perfect 4 years ago and these nonces foamed at the mouth to re-re-re-re-reinvent the wheel with tranny rust code and shit....
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:13:37 JST Zergling_man

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     • Gnarley Boot
     @gnarley_boot @aral I don't know, I haven't looked.
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     Gnarley Boot (gnarley_boot@norwoodzero.net)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:13:38 JST Gnarley Boot

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     @Zergling_man @aral
     
     Is there no good 3rd party screenreader package?
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:13:39 JST Zergling_man

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     • Gnarley Boot
     @aral @gnarley_boot (Or not using a display server at all, which seems like it would be very good for screenreaders.)
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:15:46 JST Pleroma-tan

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     @aral it's definitely a flawed response from the fedora person but blocking might be an overreaction?
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:18:25 JST Pleroma-tan

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     • þernia
     @pernia @aral eh the wording from the person implies that they're going to put it on a bucket list to fix, but that's just what it seemed like to me and im rather retarded so
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     þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:18:27 JST þernia

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     • Pleroma-tan
     @kirby @aral how is it flawed?
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     Gnarley Boot (gnarley_boot@norwoodzero.net)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:20:14 JST Gnarley Boot

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     @Humpleupagus @aral @Zergling_man
     
     That is a compelling theory, I concur Hump.
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     Gnarley Boot (gnarley_boot@norwoodzero.net)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:21:28 JST Gnarley Boot

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     • Pleroma-tan
     @kirby @aral
     
     You're too nice Kirby, and in my opinion patches are welcome was a valid response, they have their hands full. I'm only reminded that PostmarketOS development has slowed due lack of volunteers, alas I don't know how to code, I'd be useless to them, but I could make them some music to code to lol
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:21:44 JST Pleroma-tan

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     • þernia
     @pernia @aral the wording makes it look like they're not going to bother with a fix and want to just delegate the work to someone else
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     þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:21:46 JST þernia

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     • Pleroma-tan
     @kirby @aral whats wrong with acknoledging and setting it for later?
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:24:21 JST Pleroma-tan

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     • Pleroma-tan
     @pernia @aral this is the correct response actually discard the other thing lmao
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     :ihavenomouth: (inginsub@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:29:03 JST :ihavenomouth:

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     • þernia
     • Pleroma-tan
     @kirby @pernia @aral it has been broken for 7 years apparently
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:29:23 JST 

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     @aral :ebussy: What's the use case for screen readers?
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:35:59 JST 

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     • Gnarley Boot
     @Humpleupagus @aral @gnarley_boot @Zergling_man Also take note of how many of those "Rust alternatives" to commonly used CLI utilities just so happen to be lincensed under MIT or some other cuck license while the original tool is under GPL.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 16:56:49 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Gnarley Boot
     I think there's a few large players that see linux as a threat to their market share in the consumer markets. While only about 4% of consumers use linux, that's up 1% in about a year and my bet is that most of those users are under 30. If they lose the demographic, they lose the future of their OS businesses, and the information / data pipeline it produces. So I wouldn't be surprised if corporate glowniggers are sticking their hands in linux development and the propaganda behind it, and particularly in the consumer end of it (let's not start a redhat system d thread). I mean... why wouldn't they? And licensing is just one aspect.
     
     Plus I've heard no compelling argument for wayland tbh, and x11 works and is well documented.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 21:26:00 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • pomstan
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     • Gnarley Boot
     I think what he should do is create an all braille monitor. Every color gets a slightly different bump.
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 21:26:01 JST pomstan

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     • Zergling_man
     • Gnarley Boot

     @Zergling_man @aral @gnarley_boot he's obviously not blind (technically)

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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 21:26:02 JST Zergling_man

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     • Gnarley Boot
     @pomstan @gnarley_boot @aral I dunno man he managed to come complain on fedi about it, I think he's got something figured out.
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Sunday, 23-Jun-2024 21:26:03 JST pomstan

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     • Zergling_man
     • Gnarley Boot

     @Zergling_man @aral @gnarley_boot how do you fix it if you can't fucking see?

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Monday, 24-Jun-2024 17:00:05 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • slipgate
     Look.... we have to reinvent the wheel because the first version wasn't round enough.
     
     I saw something a while back where they're trying to implement cron like functionality via system d, except you have to set up a service for each function that has 10x the lines cron does. 😩
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     slipgate (slipgate@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 24-Jun-2024 17:00:06 JST slipgate

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     • Gnarley Boot
     @Zergling_man @Humpleupagus @aral @gnarley_boot @mint Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath when it came to "cruft". If Gayland actually reaches feature parity with X11, the bloat will all come back. Worse still, this new faggot shit is " just a standard bro, anybody can implement it". People naturally do and every implementation has their own quirks and special functions to dance around the giant holes that Gayland has (also, as usual, expect the Gnome version to be confusing and retarded for its own sake). Now imagine writing a GUI to support this shit. It's like Android's API hell but worse.
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Monday, 24-Jun-2024 17:00:07 JST Zergling_man

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     • Gnarley Boot
     @Humpleupagus @mint @gnarley_boot @aral I remember listeing to a guy who had worked on xorg and wayland, and he was talking about how he found xorg to be full of cruft, so when designing wayland (and implementing weston?) they were careful to avoid those things.
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     slipgate (slipgate@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Monday, 24-Jun-2024 20:03:24 JST slipgate

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     • Gnarley Boot
     @Humpleupagus @aral @gnarley_boot @mint @Zergling_man Can't milk support contracts as hard if other people also know cron or have their own implementation. On the other hand, piles upon piles of shit bolted onto systemd means more confusion and more money for IBM/Red Hat. Gradually, I began to hate Linux users.
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