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   mark (atleagle@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 23:44:04 JST mark

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   • AI6YR Ben
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   • Artemis

   @artemis @futurebird @alec @ai6yr yep. I was raised with guns, and the only rule was don't touch it unless you want to make someone dead. Waving it around and yelling doesn't help anything. If the gun owner thought that the only way to end a situation was in killing this person, then pull and shoot. If that seems a but drastic, don't touch the gun. It's simple really

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 23:44:06 JST Artemis

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     @futurebird @alec @ai6yr
     In college I got a license & carried for a brief bit. Before that I did a lot of reading on guns for self-defense.

     Something the folks who had *some* sense said was that if you carry a gun, you have a personal moral responsibility to avoid situations where you would need it. Guns have 1 purpose: to kill, so instead of becoming reckless because your gun can keep you "safe," it should only ever be the last possible resort.

     But that way of thinking is no fun, I guess.

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 23:44:07 JST myrmepropagandist

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     • Alec Perkins

     @alec @ai6yr He thought he was buying something that was making him safer from random violence— data don’t support this— but the lies are thick and it’s tempting to think of yourself as an action hero. This is sad. The gun industry and the cultural complex that supports it lied to him; got him killed.

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     Alec Perkins (alec@perkins.pub)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 23:44:08 JST Alec Perkins

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     • AI6YR Ben

     @futurebird @ai6yr and if the reported account is accurate, the owner of the gun was killed by it

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 23:44:09 JST myrmepropagandist

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     • AI6YR Ben

     @ai6yr Every person who carries a gun thinks this wouldn’t ever be them! (If they didn’t think that they wouldn’t carry the gun)

     They will 2nd guess his every decision, from pulling the gun to how he held it, to probably not being willing to use it once the guy grabbed it. None of this matters. Everyone else on that damn bus is traumatized, could have been dead for this “right” —the guns are only as safe as the most clueless person who has one. Everyone must pay. How is that fair.

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     myrmepropagandist (futurebird@sauropods.win)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 23:44:10 JST myrmepropagandist

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     • AI6YR Ben

     @ai6yr
     From the article:
     Grier was “engaging with passengers” when he got into a fight with one of them, a male, who pulled a gun, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

     “Grier took the gun from the passenger and began threatening passengers with it,”

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     AI6YR Ben (ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 23:44:11 JST AI6YR Ben

     CNN: Bus passengers frantically texted loved ones as gunman hijacked an Atlanta commuter bus during rush hour https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/us/atlanta-bus-hijacking-how-it-unfolded/index.html #crime #bus