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   b (c37b6a82a98de368c104bbc6da365571ec5a263b07057d0a3977b4c05afa7e63@mostr.pub)'s status on Wednesday, 22-May-2024 03:18:27 JST b

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   wen u guys stop shadowbanning nostr users from mostr.pub ? lol you can't read this https://media.tenor.com/5hfm6GB45aQAAAAC/throw-phone-over-it.gif
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     Fediverse Report (fediversereport@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-May-2024 03:18:28 JST Fediverse Report

     Correction: the original version stated that the Mostr.pub bridge was used for a spam wave on Bluesky. This is incorrect, a different bridge between Nostr and the fediverse, momostr.pink, was used. Mostr.pub creator Alex Gleason explains that the Mostr.pub bridge has anti-spam filtering that would have prevented such as spam attack.

     https://mastodon.social/@fediversereport/112468656710956489

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     Olivier :verified: (twen@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 22-May-2024 04:40:32 JST Olivier :verified:

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     @fediversereport From your sentence, you imply that the decentralised network #Nostr doesn't belong to the #fediverse ? What is your definition of the fediverse, then? #Nostr as well as #Activitypub and #ATProtocol belong all to the fediverse.

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     smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 22-May-2024 15:02:46 JST smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

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     • Olivier :verified:

     @BeAware @twen @fediversereport

     There is nothing "official" when it comes to what is part of the Fediverse and what is not. There are only opinions here. Sometimes quite strongly expressed.

     I guess the Fediverse itself is an abstract concept. There's not really a well-defined notion of being "connected to the Fediverse".

     When saying that there's often an implied "is it microblogging compliant" or "does it federate with Mastodon". There are AP apps wholly uncompliant to that, though.

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     Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢 (youronlyone@c.im)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 18:42:39 JST Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢

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     @twen @smallcircles @BeAware @fediversereport @axbom

     The lines are now blurred, especially since the primary source of definition was the Wikipedia article for “Fediverse”, and that often changes when someone randomly takes over.

     Personally, back in 2010, if I remember correctly, I simply called everything as #DDFON or the “Decentralised, Distributed, Federated, Open, Network”.

     That basically covers Jabber/XMPP, Matrix, OStatus (back then, before ActivityPub), Diaspora, DFRN, Zot, those crypto SNS, today's ATproto, and Nostr.

     Last year, based on the two or three polls I did, I started calling it as:

     1. DDFON as #MycelialWeb.
     2. Each “network in the MycelialWeb is called a #Mycelium or #MyceliumNetwork.

     In nature, a mycelium is a network of mycelia. A collection of mycelium is called Mycelial (and they look like a web together).

     It wasn't my idea, someone suggested it. (The instances were the polls were, sadly, are gone.)

     So:
     * #Nostr Mycelium
     * #ActivityPub Mycelium (or #Fediverse)
     * #ATproto Mycelium (or #BlueSky / #Bsky)
     * #Matrix Mycelium
     * #XMPP Mycelium
     * etc.

     A collection of mycelium is called the Mycelial Web.

     Maybe confusing, the Mycelial Web can simply be called #SocialWeb. It was what all of it together were called back in 2005-2008 anyway (no idea how it fell out of use).

     So, a collection of Mycelium networks is called the SocialWeb, which the Fediverse is simply one Mycelium network.

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     Olivier :verified: (twen@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 18:42:41 JST Olivier :verified:

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     @smallcircles @BeAware @fediversereport somewhat I like the view of @axbom he did in 2022, with the forest of networks. At the time he wrote fediverse = activitypub, recognizing other social decentralised network at the side. My representation is wider as I include all network together.
     I'm wondering how this article and forest needs an update ?

     Now @fediversereport is publishing to Nostr and Bluesky (through the bridge), it feels odd and restrictive to only talk about activitypub activities :)

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     smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 18:42:43 JST smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

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     @twen @BeAware @fediversereport

     Yea. I don't think anyone's understanding is wrong. Just that there's no clear definition. What the Fediverse is, is in the eye of the beholder.

     As Fediverse gets more popular and well-known the various meanings of the word in different contexts will probably get a bit clearer, but always still in part subjective I guess. It is just too broad of a concept to be exactly fingerpointed a This Thing™

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     Olivier :verified: (twen@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 18:42:44 JST Olivier :verified:

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     @smallcircles @BeAware @fediversereport For me, a social network that is not centralised to one server should belong to the federated network. I see Fediverse as the Internet. Web is certainly the most used service, but Email for example still exists and doesn't need to be linked to the web to be part of the Internet. Same with Nostr, Matrix and others, I consider them as part of the Fediverse, even of they use different protocols.
     May be my understanding is wrong and Fediverse is exclusive? 🤔

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     smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) (smallcircles@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 18:42:45 JST smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

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     @BeAware @twen @fediversereport

     That can be a practical way to look at it. None of the opinions are wrong imho. Using that perspective focuses on where most efforts are to increase the general interoperability between different apps. Much needed.

     It is a technical perspective, however. The social perspective of people getting connected needs no protocol definition.

     The other day someone called me out to not use the term "Web" because its tied too much to HTTP. But not for the average person.