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@jeffcliff not gonna like this.
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@koropokkur @johnhildebrandt That is even more stupid.
They patent them because they can, and because they are something that everyone who does research on that kind of coronaviruses is going to need to license. And because viruses are an area of active research, so whoever has that patent is going to benefit a great deal for their having that patent.
and fun fact: the US military can just commendeer patents so it's risky to patent things expected to be used in secret weapons research, because even *if* the US government decides to make a weapon of your research, they won't pay license fees to you and you probably won't even know they are doing so (Because such research is secret) unlike patents which are not.
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they patent them because they are lab created bio-weapons.
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@koropokkur @johnhildebrandt this is stupid.
covid / SARS2 is a coronavirus
SARS is a coronavirus
OC43 is a coronavirus.
coronavirus is a whole family of viruses.
it is weird that they are patenting living things tho
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@koropokkur @jeffcliff @johnhildebrandt yeah but only fags and heroin addicts get that so I care about as much as I care about AIDS
plus you'll never see monkeypox in the news again after people connected the dots between fags getting it and little boys/dogs getting it
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monkeypox is on the rise again.
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt yet when it came back in 2009 we did fuck and all and it did.... fuck and all
why all the pageantry for this one when it also does fuck and all unless you're old, already have GRIDS, or are terminally brainrotted like yourself
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@sapphire @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt sure i do
it shows what covid WILL do if we let it continue to rip
and what H5N1 CAN do if we don't keep our eye on it
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt again, H1N1 Influenza A killed, by some estimates, over 100 million people and by most accounts infected a third of the world's population but you really don't want to talk about that one do you?
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt just gonna skirt that swine shaped elephant in the room over and over again aren't you Jeff
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@sapphire @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt the one that killed a whopping maybe 40000 people, total?
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@sapphire @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt
They weren't.
Smallpox was eradicated after a major campaign to do so
Polio was an stone's throw away from eradication before america decided to stick its dick in pakistan because of political reasons
Measles had a major vaccination campaign dedicated to it that had it to the point where most people my age have never, until this year, known someone their age or younger with it.
Chicken pox had a major vaccination campaign to the point where my students thought of chicken pox as one of those ancient diseases like the black death and measles that they had heard of adults mention maybe once or twice but had no idea what it really was.
HIV went from a major threat to the human species and an existential threat to the gay/trans/queer people of the world to a managable annoyance that might clip a year or two, tops off your life (plus some $)
HPV vaccination was so successful that whole swaths of young adults are alive who wouldn't have been. People like my friend dana, who was a year or two too old, and died of the cancer that would have been prevented
So, no, there have been massive efforts and improvements in public health and epidemiology over the past century or so.
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt still doesn't explain why this one got all kinds of immediate population control experimentation when "natural" epidemics of deadlier diseases in the same century were allowed to run their course with minimal intervention
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt I'm just saying its a little weird that a biotechnical company was allowed to patent the genome for a strain of SARS-CoV and then a global outbreak of SARS-CoV starts in a city with a known virology lab
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@sapphire @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt it is a little weird
until you realize why the virology lab was in that spot (because EcoHealth understood that was one of the most likely places that a pandemic would emerge, and the kind of pandemic it would be). ie you have the arrow of causality backwards
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@sapphire @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt so what exactly is your argument here, that because SARS1 (or some other coronavirus) existed that the government or some shady corporation had SARS2 ready to go and ...then what?
it doesn't tell us anything that SARS1/some other coronavirus was a thing before the SARS2 zoonotic transfer occurred except that we should have been paying more attention to the wuhan area bats, and put more funding into gain of function research at wuhan's bsl lab to understand how they could evolve and how to treat them. ie *exactly* what EcoHealth was trying to do (although perhaps they could have had better safeguards and a more competent bureaucracy / people involved, and maybe the US & China shouldn't have been at such loggerheads for the past decade ...a million americans, and more chinamen would be alive if they hadn't been at such odds today)
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt SARS COV-1 is not unrelated lmfao nice try Jeff
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@sapphire @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt yeah
unrelated coronaviruses
and i'll look into something if there's some reason for suspecting something is amiss. The DEFUSE stuff, that was worth reading. these patents are not even that much.
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt actually if you bothered to look into this instead of just dismissing things that disagree with your worldview you’d have found that all but two of these are misleading
The last two are for coronaviruses.
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt you can’t patent something you find on the ground Jeff, you have to prove an original invention of some sort
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@sapphire @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt you have not been following the ineptitude of the USPTO
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@MCMLXVIIOTG @brittbratt_fingerpuppet @koropokkur @sapphire @johnhildebrandt and the spread was slowed.
we almost got covid under control during those 15 days. if george floyd hadn't died of covid we probably would have been done with the pandemic entirely
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>yet another person who doesn't remember...
15 days, Jeff. 15 days.
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@brittbratt_fingerpuppet @koropokkur @sapphire @johnhildebrandt yet another person who doesn't remember the 99% drop in international travel or lockdowns or handwashing or anything in 2020 (that works to reduce flu)
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Ikr 🤔
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almost no flu deaths in 2020. talk about magical fantasyland.
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they claimed almost every death was due to covid-19.
those numbers cant be believed.
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@koropokkur @sapphire @johnhildebrandt
>they claimed almost every death was due to covid-19.
> those numbers cant be believed.
they UNDERCOUNT covid numbers. This isn't the early days of 2020 anymore, though sadly coroners are not any more qualified and miss covid causing death a lot
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@sapphire @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt except
1) it is more deadly
2009 flu killed about "at least 18,449".
covid did that on a given in ~april 2020 alone.
2) the world should STILL be shut down since it's STILL out there killing people
3) the long term effects of H1n1 flu and covid are totally different, since covid damages the immune system, and causes permanent heart and brain damage.
while H1N1 flu wasn't great for you either, it also ...had a wave and then dissipated. Whereas covid has a new variant wave every month or two, and is not relenting much.
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@jeffcliff @koropokkur @johnhildebrandt Neither does shutting down the entire globe for 2 years over a disease less deadly than the H1N1 strain of flu we did almost nothing for in 2009
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its part of it.
i told you this weeks ago.
bat virus/scorpion toxin
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@koropokkur @sapphire @johnhildebrandt that makes no sense whatsoever