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   Dana Fried (tess@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 20:58:19 JST Dana Fried

   • Diane 🕵
   • mekka okereke :verified:

   @alienghic @mekkaokereke

   I don't want an SUV or pickup, though. I live in a city. I want a small hatchback.

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     Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈 (ainmosni@berlin.social)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 20:58:19 JST Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈

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     • Diane 🕵
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     @tess @alienghic @mekkaokereke

     yeah that they went for those vehicles is telling, we should be trying to get rid of that class of vehicle as they are not even useful for what they are advertised.

     That said, I'd go even further and say that unless there's a good reason, personal vehicles should just not be in cities. Have big parking facilities at transit hubs on the edge where people can leave their car and hop in transit.

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     Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈 (ainmosni@berlin.social)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 20:58:26 JST Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈

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     • Deep Mud

     @deepmud that falls under "a good reason".

     Also, the elderly reach a point where driving is the absolute worst mode of transport for them and everyone else.

     I've lived in cities where the elderly walk and take transit, and where they and the disabled have special busses that picked them up, or have small mini cars that help them get around but only go 20ish km/h.

     There's options, many of them even.

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     Deep Mud (deepmud@mas.to)'s status on Sunday, 12-May-2024 20:58:27 JST Deep Mud

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     • Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈

     @ainmosni that's a good idea for the public who is not disabled. For the elderly and disabled, what about them?

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 22:05:44 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • liferstate

     @ainmosni @liferstate @tess @alienghic

     *Me, fully aware that I am about to summon the bike-radicalized Fedi, foolishly proceeds anyway*

     There's a misconception that bike friendly cities like Amsterdam were always that way. They weren't. Amsterdam looked like trash in the 60s too. They made a conscious effort to turn it around, and did so over about 3 decades.

     Paris is undergoing a similar transformation, and it looks like theirs will be done in under 1 decade.

     We could do this too!

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     liferstate (liferstate@mas.to)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 22:05:46 JST liferstate

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     • Diane 🕵
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     • Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈

     @ainmosni @tess @alienghic @mekkaokereke I am guessing that not only have you never been to Detroit, you have never looked at Detroit on a map.

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     Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈 (ainmosni@berlin.social)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 22:05:46 JST Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈

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     • liferstate

     @liferstate @tess @alienghic @mekkaokereke

     Oh, I am pretty aware of how car dependent the US is, and that what I'm saying would be a huge shift in urbanism in most of the cities there, I'm just saying that it's possible, and it does make cities nicer to live in.

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     Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈 (ainmosni@berlin.social)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 23:59:48 JST Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈

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     • Diane 🕵
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     • liferstate

     @mekkaokereke @liferstate @tess @alienghic

     I am aware, I was born there in the 80s and still remember how some of the big squares were essentially big urban highways. it was a decision the city took and it has payed off so much.

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