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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 03:54:08 JST d

so they do want to do it, but you want a ready-made skilled worker you can pay minimum wage
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  d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 03:55:22 JST d
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  @hazlin there is no lack of honest people who like working with their hands. the workforce that exists didn't materialize from thin air, it was built with on the job training that nobody does anymore, and paid a lot better relative to cost of living when the existing old fart workforce originally joined up
  
  now they expect you to spend several years and a big pile of money before they'll even talk to you, and starting pay is 2/3 what you need to live in poverty. of course hardly anyone wants to do it
  
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  hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 03:55:23 JST hazlin no plap pirate
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  @deprecated_ii skilled labor, especially for physically intensive jobs, there is more demand than there is supply. Even if you are willing to pay them well. (the business I have association with, after covid, was having to pay them like they were engineers with years of relevant experience xD)
  
  It got even worse after covid. I think the vax culled a lot of people in a critical age range.
  
  I'll add the qualification that, a majority of the available people will either steal from you, or will do such a poor quality job that it creates more work for your company. (also had a few that, just didn't want to work, they do just enough so it is hard to tell, but they are doing fucking nothing if no one is watching).
  
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  LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 03:57:26 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿
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  I talked about this with dad.
  When he got to school, he was given free education, housing, and a promise of a future job, in exchange for a contract, that he WILL be working there for several years.
  Meanwhile, these days, it's a lottery of "guess what job will be in demand 8 years from now :D"
  
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  d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 05:39:34 JST d
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  @EssentialUtinsil @pepsi_man @LukeAlmighty @hazlin the time to find the replacement for the 30 year man was 25 years ago
  
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  EssentialUtinsil :njp: (essentialutinsil@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 05:39:35 JST EssentialUtinsil :njp:
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  @pepsi_man @LukeAlmighty @deprecated_ii @hazlin my uncle just retired and his employer was bending over backwards to get him to stay. same story with my father in law couple years ago. the problem is there is nobody to replace the experience of the 30+ year types, companies either don't do a good job training people for it, or they don't do a good job retaining talent once they've developed it.
  
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  pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 05:39:36 JST pepsi_man
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  @LukeAlmighty @deprecated_ii @hazlin
  There needs to be a forced retirement age. If you've been working the same job for 30 years, it's time to go because at that point, you've long since reached marginal returns and are only holding up the line.
  
  I can tell you how many boomers I've worked with who brag that they can "retire right now" but they never do and it blows my mind they don't have something else they'd rather be doing with their time. I can't wait to permanently drop out of the system and truly be free, and I haven't even hit 40.
  
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  Caek Islove ? ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 07:56:02 JST Caek Islove ? ❤️
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  @pepsi_man @monsterislandcolonizer @LukeAlmighty @EssentialUtinsil @deprecated_ii @hazlin Facts. I only stay at my current company because I'm unsupervised and they never make me do any work. If I moved, yeah sure I'd get a 20-30% raise, but I'd also have to do 90-100% more work.
  
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  Bloodytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 07:56:03 JST Bloodytailspike
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  @EssentialUtinsil @pepsi_man @LukeAlmighty @deprecated_ii @hazlin This is the only way to get a raise anymore
  
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  pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 07:56:03 JST pepsi_man
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  That's a hard lesson I just recently learned. There's only punishment for company loyalty, i.e. low or no raises followed by layoffs.
  
  Basically, Forbes got it right:
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  I can see that. My last company didn't want to train people bc trained people expect pay raises.
  
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  EssentialUtinsil :njp: (essentialutinsil@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 07:56:04 JST EssentialUtinsil :njp:
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  @pepsi_man @LukeAlmighty @deprecated_ii @hazlin yeah, and when you don't give them raises, they fuck off with all that training you invested in, often to a competitor.
  
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  Special Guest Star (s2208@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:34 JST Special Guest Star
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  only the women
  
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  Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:35 JST Woodshop ?
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  @Clapp @yockeypuck @PeterPower @deprecated_ii @hazlin I understand you hate boomers but all I'm saying is that other generations would act the exact same in their position. It's a question of circumstances, not principles.
  
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  yockeypuck (yockeypuck@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:35 JST yockeypuck
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  @WoodshopHandman @Clapp @PeterPower @deprecated_ii @hazlin Millennials are cutting the cocks off their sons out of self-absorption. That's even worse than letting a Mexican mow your lawn.
  
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  Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:36 JST Woodshop ?
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  @yockeypuck @PeterPower @Clapp @deprecated_ii @hazlin Yeah it's not like Gen-Xers or Millenials or Zoomers are chomping at the bit to make sure to buy local and start businesses that pay better. It is what it is.
  
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  Clapp (clapp@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:36 JST Clapp
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  @WoodshopHandman @yockeypuck @PeterPower @deprecated_ii @hazlin Young people control a sliver of the overall wealth in the country. For most of them and us there is no option to make big expenditures. It has to come from those with the vast majority of the wealth down. the younger people have to compete with a government that hates them, a job market with very few realistic aspects, and immigrants who are always willing to take a dollar less an hour. So 3 roommates in a $1,500 a month two bedroom apartment do not have any extra income to spend. But the 70-year-old that's got 6 million in the bank and doesn't really owe anything could. But they don't want to . Because it's their money LOL and all this other shit
  
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  PeterPower (peterpower@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:37 JST PeterPower
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  @Clapp @WoodshopHandman @yockeypuck @deprecated_ii @hazlin Boomer=self and self only
  
  They have been taught well by jews to be the ultimate in selfish individualism, unless it comes to funding Israel
  
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  yockeypuck (yockeypuck@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:37 JST yockeypuck
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  @PeterPower @Clapp @WoodshopHandman @deprecated_ii @hazlin The world we live in = self and self only, boomers just express it in this way.
  
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  Clapp (clapp@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:39 JST Clapp
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  @WoodshopHandman @yockeypuck @deprecated_ii @hazlin A friend of mine owns a construction company and literally advertises work by Americans for americans. As to hint that he doesn't hire mexicans. He crushes all the local competition. But only in the lower middle class neighborhoods. He never, or rather hardly ever gets work in the rich community. It's as if they actively seek out the poor downtrodden looking for a better life mexican. They kill him as far price on estimates go. This was all like 5 years ago. Fast forward to today and the government has given prioritized loans to non-whites and the market is completely saturated with construction businesses. He's on the verge of just selling out and getting out of it all together because he is unable to compete . The local area knows that hiring him means they're helping their literal neighbor, but in the end they don't care they just want whatever's fucking cheap
  
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  PeterPower (peterpower@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:39 JST PeterPower
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  @Clapp @WoodshopHandman @yockeypuck @deprecated_ii @hazlin Fucking boomer mentality
  
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  Clapp (clapp@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:39 JST Clapp
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  @PeterPower @WoodshopHandman @yockeypuck @deprecated_ii @hazlin bro let me give you an example from today. Scooter Boomer was at the grocery store in front of me. Small grocery store that carries mostly local products and hi great stuff. There's not really much off-brand items there. About a third of a size of a normal Whole Food . Boomer is bitching at the manager because they say that their prices are too high . Manager explains that they Source most of their items from local farmers and beekeepers and ranches... Boomer gets pissed and tells him that they're not going to make it if they can't offer some cheaper items for those on a fixed income . Manager explains that they are as cheap as they possibly can be that they want to shop there too and they're not trying to pay bloated prices . Boomer leaves his entire scooter cart filled and Waddles out the door. I get out to the parking lot and he's getting in his 2023 Duramax King Cab Chevy truck with a big fucking decal on the back window that says buy American. Lol perfectly sums up 99% of the Fox News enjoyer Boomer class
  
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  yockeypuck (yockeypuck@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:41 JST yockeypuck
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  @deprecated_ii @hazlin "Pay peanuts, get monkeys" but your competitors are eagerly hiring monkeys and the only contracts that matter are supported by government or huge business and they legally require you to hire monkeys.
  
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  Woodshop ? (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:41 JST Woodshop ?
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  @yockeypuck @deprecated_ii @hazlin Also, consider that your customers are retards that will almost always go with the cheaper option. If you have to pay your employees more, you have to raise prices, your customers will leave for your competitors, you go out of business.
  
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  d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:42 JST d
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  @yockeypuck @hazlin I don't disagree
  
  but employers are the ones who have to do something about it
  
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  yockeypuck (yockeypuck@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:43 JST yockeypuck
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  @deprecated_ii @hazlin The following things are both true:
  - good help can't find good employers
  - good employers can't find good help
  Because the job market was broken on purpose to keep costs down above all other considerations.
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  hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:44 JST hazlin no plap pirate
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  > there is no lack of honest people who like working with their hands
  
  I mean there is, you'll discover the lack if you try to staff a company of such people. For every 20 people that want to do such a job, maybe 1 will actually benefit your company.
  
  And, I don't mean skills. Just a basic honest worker.
  
  The company I mentioned, has several people who started with no skills at all, but they had, and kept a good attitude, and now they have all the skills required to fulfill their role.
  
  Using recruiting websites, has produce almost a 100% washout rate. In fact, it is so bad, I'm betting there is some sort of algorithm that sends shit people to small businesses.
  
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  d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-May-2024 09:14:44 JST d
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  @hazlin this sounds a lot more like whoever is making hiring decisions is exceptionally bad at their job
  
  I don't buy the sob stories I hear from employers because I've been the guy who can't get so much as a phone call for the better part of a decade, and I've known a lot of other guys in the same boat. it's obvious to me that companies have no idea *at all* how to identify a good candidate when one comes along
  
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