@freemayonnaise@Shlomo Except we wrote a few effortpoasts encouraging people not to get the fagcine that went viral and got this account on a bunch of glowie lists (we love it). And saved thousands of people doing so. While accurately predicting what would go down with regards to the fagcines rapidly losing efficacy (we were wrong about ADE)
Oh, and we stayed pureblooded under pressure a bitchmade faggot like you cannot comprehend
Again, stop lying and tell your mom that I'm not interested in her, cocksucker. She was a standard pump-and-dump.
Not possible. She died of from a full blown case of your unrepentant vaxfagging. I remember the last thing she said to us was, "I hope that morally bankrupt loser enjoys his tumor."
@freemayonnaise@Viking5050 My standard fee for educating retards (you) is ten thousand US dollars equivalent in gold ounces. This is not negotiable and payment is delivered up front. Let me know when you have it.
@AmonMaritza@freemayonnaise@TrevorGoodchild@Viking5050@epictittus@wing_str@jeffcliff I know a few people who got steroids or antibiotics for secondary infections. Too many doctors were foolish and killed a ton of people by denying antibiotics because "viruses don't need them". COVID didn't kill nearly as many people as secondary infections and doctor mismanagement.
Any of the people in your echo chamber, perhaps. (If you don't count your dropped CD4 count of course)
you would not believe how many people i've seen on poast alone saying "jeff cliff was right" after getting covid & seeing the unvaxxed people in their lives hospitalized/etc.
Read the thread, dipshit and switch to a different domain if you want me to take your crying seriously. This isn't 2020 when some off-brand xittergram's Sciency word salad screenshots are believable, sorry. No.
@freemayonnaise@TrevorGoodchild@Viking5050 Listen, picrel (your initial response to @TrevorGoodchild) is not an "intellectual spanking". It's a boomer-tier "own", at best.
You appear to be anti-jab and are somehow attacking what must be the most anti-jab dude on the entire internet.
Are you a nigger? Or are you defective in some other way?
I took an IQ test about 3 months ago after the Covid brainfog lifted. Still over 160. The small drop from my twenties is probably more due to age than Covid.
Proper antibiotic use is a complex topic, as is 'doctor mismanagement' which seems to break down into two factors: management mismanagement of doctors, and doctor error of diagnosing/treating problems - both of which happen both in the acute infection and longer term covid treatment.
Right now however the big error doctors are making is 'not wearing masks and following infectious disease protocols' leading to nosocomial infection across the board not just of covid but of other airborne diseases, such as whooping cough and measles.
> COVID didn't kill nearly as many people as secondary infections and doctor mismanagement.
That is a big claim and, although secondary infections do a lot of the heavy lifting, generally i don't see it.
I've seen one paper say the exact opposite even, that it's not secondary infections in the acute cases , most of the time.
However there's reason to believe it could be true, especially longer term - covid does the initial damage, and since day #1 most people live through the infection itself. And whatever kills people is likely to not be 'covid' or even 'covid again' but something else -- made more likely by the covid infection breaking internal redundancy within the body through internal organ damage, damage to the immune system, or damage to the cardiovascular system generally. So maybe it is true that the secondary infections are the real threat - - they *are* a threat - and especially stuff like whooping cough, measles and candida auris blowing up right now are signs that this is what is happening
@jeffcliff@freemayonnaise@AmonMaritza@TrevorGoodchild@Viking5050@epictittus@wing_str >that it's not secondary infections in the acute cases , most of the time. acute cases are extremely rare, only increasing in commonality with commodity and age. "Moderate" cases caused a lot of infections that led to pneumonia and other secondary damages. Long COVID and long term damage is rare, but it does happen, same as any virus. I've shared before that I knew a guy who died of mono in his teens as a healthy athlete. Sometimes 💩 happens, and novel viruses have a greater chance of surprises. I don't really blame the doctors, but I do blame the medical system for its bureaucrat-heavy structure ignoring peoples' legitimate questions and concerns. I will never accept "shut up and do as you're told" by people who spout the type of insane 🐴 💩 we see on the regular from them. You may think that's an irrelevant tangent, but I see people telling me to accept that a man in a dress is a woman as the equivalent of 2+2=5. You lose credibility when you spout lies.
@jeffcliff@freemayonnaise@AmonMaritza@TrevorGoodchild@Viking5050@epictittus@wing_str >virtually all infections lead to long term damage. Speculation at best. The research suggesting this is weak and could be nothing but noise. 1/10 might be for SYMPTOMATIC infections with a questionable definition of "long COVID" (did your cough persist 3 or more weeks), but there are a lot of people like me who had basically zero symptoms.
>Covid is not 'the same as any virus'. Irrelevant to my point even if true. I think the comparison to mononucleosis in young people is fitting, as both are normally minor if any symptoms and can in rare cases be extremely damaging or fatal.
>Troons Don't act like that's an illegitimate point. If you lie about such an obvious thing, you're at the very least too susceptible to groupthink pressures or too cowardly to admit that 2+2≠5. Science is not consent. The scientific process is the fight AGAINST the popular belief in search of truth.
> increasing in commonality with commodity and age
true
> "Moderate" cases caused a lot of infections that led to pneumonia and other secondary damages.
true
> Long COVID and long term damage is rare
No, it's common. 1 in 10 infections lead to long covid depending on the definition - and virtually all infections lead to long term damage.
> but it does happen, same as any virus.
Covid is not 'the same as any virus'. Covid does damage to immune systems, and has spread to billions and killed tens of millions -- it is notable in the history of infectious disease for the extent of damage it's caused and continues to cause
>. Sometimes 💩 happens, and novel viruses have a greater chance of surprises.
true.
> I don't really blame the doctors, but I do blame the medical system for its bureaucrat-heavy structure ignoring peoples' legitimate questions and concerns.
that is also a real problem
>, but I see people telling me to accept that a man in a dress is a woman
Dude, you really are retarded. "Oh wow! you had brain fog and you deny permanent brain damage????!!!!" Of course Covid induces brain fog. This is a well-known effect of the disease. The question is whether the effect is permanent, which it is not. I was concerned about this very thing, so I took the test. As stated, my IQ is almost as high as it was 40 years ago, the small loss is perfectly normal in an old man like me. But that's not real, because you found a science journalist hack that claimed it wasn't real, and WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEE!!!!!11
> Dude, you really are retarded. "Oh wow! you had brain fog and you deny permanent brain damage????!!!!" Of course Covid induces brain fog. This is a well-known effect of the disease.
SO IS BRAIN DAMAGE
> The question is whether the effect is permanent, which it is not.
Glad you grant that brain damage occurs.
Are you aware of the impact of covid on the development of dementia/alzheimers? Are those permanent enough for you?
> But that's not real, because you found a science journalist hack that claimed it wasn't real, and WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEE!!!!!11
This might be so, but covid can infect you multiple times a year and speed that process up considerably.
And it's something we did not have to deal with even 10 years ago, and which we do not have to deal with. It's something we have chosen to allow to wash over us as a species, which we could choose otherwise.
@freemayonnaise@AmonMaritza@Snidely_Whiplash@TrevorGoodchild@Viking5050@epictittus@wing_str@jeffcliff You're arguing with the wrong guy, but okay. I don't lick doorknobs just because I don't fear every media panic meme disease. I willingly admitted to being cautious about the Shanghai Shivers early on, but even more skeptical of the vax. "We" did a lot more damage to society through lockdowns, loneliness, and general social harm than any virus, real or imaginary, did.
You can keep repeating the TV mantra that COVID is really real and the cause is SARS-COV-2 (aka WuFlu) but there is no evidence that a novel pathogen with deadly characterisitcs even exists. I'm sorry but 4 years of all cause mortality data is available from worldwide sources. The narrative has been invalidated. If you could think scientifically, you'd have to re-evaluate your dearly held beliefs and realize how much of your mantra-repeating is sunk cost fallacy but whatevs.
@jeffcliff@freemayonnaise@AmonMaritza@Snidely_Whiplash@TrevorGoodchild@Viking5050@epictittus@wing_str You're free to disagree, but the clinical opinion on the matter does not agree with your views on COVID and its permanent damage despite many of their own wishing it did. This is not an appeal to authority nor appeal to consensus— there are people who staked their careers and reputation on how damaging this is who are currently worried that the clout debt collectors are going to show up and they'll get the stockades or worse, and they would love for this to be a bigger deal than it turned out to be.
@jeffcliff@freemayonnaise@Angie_rasmussen@AmonMaritza@Snidely_Whiplash@TrevorGoodchild@Viking5050@epictittus@wing_str The evidence being a group of scientists who had a conflict of interest because they were worried they'd be executed for war crimes or other international violations? This is literally a group of defendants saying "no it was obviously not a lab leak, don't investigate further" to cover their act. It's far more plausible that the US government releases it intentionally to cover for the failing economy and damage China than it being an organic wet market incident, and I don't even think that. I have no evidence for or against it, but it's an extra layer of conjecture past the obvious— it was man-made.