A veterinary epidemiologist named Andrew Bowman at Ohio State was impatient with the FDA and lack of data on the H5N1 outbreak, so he took a road trip and bought milk in 10 states. 58 of the 150 commercial milk products contained enough traces of viral RNA to light up a PCR test, which suggests the H5N1 outbreak is far more widespread than the US government is letting on.
Pasteurization likely inactivates the virus, but people also do stupid stuff like drink unpasteurized milk, and we've also got a ton of human beings working closely with these ~10 million animals. Seems very likely to me at this point that this virus jumps to humans. We should be doing everything possible to mass manufacture vaccine, not for avian/poultry use, but for the human population.
Covid was the dress rehearsal and we failed it, miserably. I don't know what will come of H5N1, but everything we know is very concerning and we aren't seeing enough "urgency of now" from governmental sources in averting/mitigating what could be a very high consequence epidemic if it gets into humans and gains transmission fitness there.
You sound as stupid as one of those Jesus people holding up a sign and carrying a cross on a wheel. You really have nothing better to do than being terminally ill online?
I've written about this extensively and I'm pretty sure I've done more through research that Mr. Jeff Jump-of-a-cliff here.
In March of 2020, I talked about the dangers of mass panic, and my predictions were sadly understated to how insane things got:
I spoke about the dangers of all our politicians decisions, the lack of planning, the mental fatigue and the dangers of rushing out untested medical products:
In 2021, I covered the type of religious ideology that Jeff Cliffhead seems to exhibit; and how such extremists view have fractured people all over the world:
Remember how the airline industry tried to regulate itself? The 737-Max8 was a safe and effect means of transportation .. that killed two planes full of passengers:
Every one of my articles is filled with links to sources and details my thought journey to my conclusions. I provide evidence, and hypothesis based on the best available data I could find. I read hundreds of pages of studies; I read more studies in 2020 than my six years in graduate school.
So tell me Jeff Cliff. Where are your articles? Where is your research? Where are the charts you made? Where are you detailed notes and though process?
You don't have any because the world is not split into left or right, liberal or conservative. It's split into people like me who think, and people like you who believe everything you read on The Google/Facebook/TV/a random advert.
Reminder; @djsumdog doesn't care that he's wrong. he doesn't want to learn about why he's wrong, and has been persistently wrong throughout the whole pandemic. He is not interested in the truth, or truth-seeking generally. He's totally OK with his falsehoods harming and killing children. He is dangerously misinformed, and doubles down on being wrong when challenged. It's not just that he doesn't understand how he's wrong about PCR tests, and the extent of validity of their use, it's much deeper than that.
> I'm pretty sure I've done more through research that Mr. Jeff Jump-of-a-cliff here.
Fuck off. I have been keeping up with you as you've been doing "research" paper for paper.
> In March of 2020, I talked about the dangers of mass panic
I was talking about the pandemic on my podcast in Jan 2020 having talked about the risk of it going all the way back.
> I also constantly pulled down and charted data, finding all kinds of problems and inconsistencies which I've documented here
And I challenged you on some of it, if you don't forget. And instead of backing your data up, you just ignored your own inconsistencies.
You speak as if we haven't already dug into this stuff already, link by link.
> There were a lot of secondary effects to the illegal and immoral lockdowns,
The lockdowns were a) not immoral b) not, broadly speaking, illegal c) necessary to slow the spread of covid d) and saved MANY lives.
they were led by bad data modeling, though - the modelling has marginally improved over the years
> By now everyone should realize the masks did absolutely nothing
This is completely false. I have kept records of well over a hundred studies on masks, and the every time I saw you posting one it's been one of the garbage ones
> I never once wore a mask:
yeah fuck you for that
> We had one of the least tested drugs in modern regulatory history rushed to market:
BECAUSE MILLIONS WERE AND ARE DYING.
> Remember how the airline industry tried to regulate itself? The 737-Max8
Red herring. But interestingly; now that we've got massive covid brain damage throughout the economy, we're seeing pretty much weekly aircraft problems that were unheard of before
> I was censored and silenced on multiple networks:
AS WAS I MOTHERFUCKER.
> Every one of my articles is filled with links to sources and details my thought journey to my conclusions.
And every time I've dug into you, you've been wrong. EVERY TIME. But instead of owning up to being wrong you've denied it and doubled down on it.
> I provide evidence, and hypothesis based on the best available data I could find.
As have I, over the years I've posted 10,000s of posts in hundreds of hellthreads. Including dozens with you.
> I read hundreds of pages of studies;
As have I.
> So tell me Jeff Cliff. Where are your articles?
That you're a dangerous source of misinformation? Your own posts will do that just fine to anyone who hasn't drank your koolaid.
> Where are the charts you made?
I post them literally every week.
>? You don't have any because the world is not split into left or right, liberal or conservative. It's split into people like me who think, and people like you who believe everything you read on The Google/Facebook/TV/a random advert.
Fuck you. If I did that I would believe what you do
I have already wasted enough time on you and your BS misinformation. You just came off of mute somehow when i moved to shitposter.world.
> But interestingly; now that we've got massive covid brain damage throughout the economy
How do you know damage was from COVID and not the vaccine?
Look man ... I guess we're just at an impass. May the gods, if they exist, judge us to the degree we did the best we could.
You keep having fun in your dimension and I'll stay in mind. My value is in the friends I keep and riding my mountain bike and not getting caught up in the insanity of this world. COVID literally matters to no one anymore except the most religiously devout. You are religious (as am I). We don't get to chose not to be religious, only which religion we follow. I prefer it when you mute me, because I try not to censor people and it's better for the entire fediverse when you close off your mind and take yourself out of the conversation.
I know when I see people I care about, none of the things you seem concerned about matter in the slightest.
I got pulled into evangelical Christianity from 96~02; born again, mission trips, the whole deal. I kinda turned away from it in what's now called "the new atheism" movement, although I didn't go to "Reason Rallies" or read Dawkins or any of that shit; I just had fun at the meetups.
I was a little annoyed by evangelicals for a while, but as I've gotten older, I've come to realize the massive importance that modern Christianity has on western culture (and by modern I mean like the past 200~400 years .. it has changed a lot).
My sister is still a strong fundamentalist Christians, and I have close friends who are reformed, evangelical, etc. I try to keep an open mind to it, but I doubt I'll ever believe in Jesus and the saints and all the prophets again.