And this is why people use Macs
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 04:42:15 JST Thomas 🔭✨ -
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maya_b (maya_b@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 04:44:55 JST maya_b In conversation permalink Attachments
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 04:46:06 JST Thomas 🔭✨ @iamdavidobrien don't jinx it
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David O'Brien (iamdavidobrien@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 04:46:07 JST David O'Brien Also, we don't get ads on the OS UI.
Which is the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard.
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Molly White (molly0xfff@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 04:46:24 JST Molly White @thomasfuchs macs only help so much — i was just on the wikipedia page for "Multiplication sign"
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 04:47:07 JST Thomas 🔭✨ @maya_b interesting, I've using https://mrgan.com/gb/ for years for similar stuff
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 04:47:34 JST Thomas 🔭✨ In conversation permalink Attachments
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datarama (datarama@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:14:12 JST datarama @thomasfuchs I use a Compose key on Linux (hey, this *is* Mastodon, you were expecting a smug Linux weenie at some point, right?).
I can easily write æ, ö, ß, λ, ⊆, д, é, è and ☭, among many other more-or-less useful things.
(and this is also part of how US-ANSI keyboards ended up becoming my favourite physical layout, with the dubious side effect that I can barely use a Danish keyboard anymore.)
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David O'Brien (iamdavidobrien@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:32:03 JST David O'Brien Yeah, but you either have to
• change the keyboard language
• Not ideal, since your actual keyboard doesn't change
• memorise some pretty esoteric unicode strings; or
• use a virtual keyboardTbf, Macs don't handle all diacritics that well by default, but they do the most common pretty well.
Like Option then E gets you é. Option U gets ü and so on.
I guess that's a legacy of their prevalence in desktop publishing apps in the 90s.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:32:03 JST Thomas 🔭✨ @iamdavidobrien @CStamp it's a legacy of UI designers actually sitting down and thinking of these things (possibly back in the 80s)
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Carolyn (cstamp@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:32:04 JST Carolyn @thomasfuchs Wait, PCs don't allow accents?
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Carolyn (cstamp@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:33:46 JST Carolyn @sarajw @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs Why is it harder? I think I'm missing something. Option + e = é on a Mac with US layout.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:33:46 JST Thomas 🔭✨ @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien It's hard on a PC with standard US keyboard layout, you need to memorize unicode codepoints.
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Carolyn (cstamp@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:33:53 JST Carolyn @sarajw @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs For what? PC or Mac. For Mac, I'm a touch typer using US keyboard and it's nothing to add accents other than knowing which key commands trigger them.
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Sara Joy :happy_pepper: (sarajw@front-end.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:33:53 JST Sara Joy :happy_pepper: @CStamp @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs same for me on PC, because it's just AltGr+E to get É. I hadn't realised it was so much harder with standard US layout.
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Sara Joy :happy_pepper: (sarajw@front-end.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:33:58 JST Sara Joy :happy_pepper: @CStamp @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs they do fine if you're not using the US layout. I knew I had good reason to prefer British 😅
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Carolyn (cstamp@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:33:59 JST Carolyn @iamdavidobrien @thomasfuchs Yeah, I use the French accents often enough to be surprised that PCs don't handle them as easily. Thanks, this is very interesting.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:42:12 JST Thomas 🔭✨ @gabriel @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien The point is that on a Mac you don't have to configure shit for this to work. It just does (as it should on Windows).
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Gabriel Viso ☕️👾 (gabriel@fedi.gvisoc.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:42:13 JST Gabriel Viso ☕️👾 @thomasfuchs @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien You add the US international input method and use a [Win] shortcut to switch, same as on a Mac with Ctrl Space. The keystrokes are almost the same but I think I recall they follow the dead keys scheme —first accent then letter.
I’ve been doing this for years as my first language is Spanish.
Seriously, this claim is ridiculous.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:51:53 JST Thomas 🔭✨ @gabriel @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien fwiw you can type all these directly on a Mac with US keyboard layout ¡¿çñ (just did)
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Gabriel Viso ☕️👾 (gabriel@fedi.gvisoc.com)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 05:51:54 JST Gabriel Viso ☕️👾 @thomasfuchs @CStamp @sarajw @iamdavidobrien You do, you have to add the US international layout for it to work properly. Accents are just the tip of the iceberg. Characters like these ¡¿ç ñ require configuring shit to work, exactly the same.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 06:43:23 JST Thomas 🔭✨ @iamdavidobrien @CStamp yeah fully agree, also using both daily
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David O'Brien (iamdavidobrien@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 06:43:24 JST David O'Brien To everyone whatabouting in this thread, I did say "they do the most common pretty well."
And that would mean the most common in English-language publications using foreign language words or terms for whatever reason.
Neither OS is perfect. Nor, I think, is it possible to be.
But Mac OS does a better job than Windows, as things currently stand.
I use both daily. This is my experience.
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Thomas 🔭✨ (thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 06:44:50 JST Thomas 🔭✨ @molly0xfff @breiter you gotta get yourself a IBM Model M battleship (122 keys) and remap the keys
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Molly White (molly0xfff@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 06:44:51 JST Molly White @breiter @thomasfuchs yeah, except it takes me about as long to open that and search for it as it does for me to type it into google 😅
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Brian Reiter (breiter@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 06:44:52 JST Brian Reiter For future reference: “Globe key” or ctrl+cmd+space opens character viewer. Select Math Symbols and there it is.
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Tim Magee (uriy@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 07:31:52 JST Tim Magee @thomasfuchs Aye, for anything more complicated than an acute accent on a vowel (Ctrl+Alt) I just copy some foreign text into a scratchpad and compose my text with bits clipped from that, like it's a ransom note.
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Matthias :veritrek_red: (mpwg@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 25-Apr-2024 14:13:41 JST Matthias :veritrek_red: @thomasfuchs On my Mac I have to google „upper 2“ to get this: ².
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