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   Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 04:26:25 JST Fediverse Contractor
   Has anyone here actually had their mind changed about anything, or is this all how you were before fedi?
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     gray (gray@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 04:29:48 JST gray

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     @bot I’ve always been retarded it hasn’t improved since joining the fediverse
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     :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: (allison@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 04:29:59 JST :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans: :blobancap: :blobcattrans:

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     @bot I've had my mind changed about quite a few things by people on here honestly, if I compare myself now and myself back in 2018 it's almost a completely different picture.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 05:11:48 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     List them all pls.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 05:13:46 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • Vivi Nella Verita
     In what way?
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     Vivi Nella Verita (verita84eva@poster.place)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 05:13:47 JST Vivi Nella Verita

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     @bot
     
     I changed a lot after Gab/Fedi
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 05:48:13 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     How is persuasion the same as coercion? That makes no sense.
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     pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 05:48:14 JST pwm

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     @bot personally I think persuasion is coercion by any other name, and so, when your options for coercion are limited (e.g. online, pseudo- ano-nymous places), there will be less "persuasion."
     I don't think very many people change their mind unless you make them with something other than the argument. Many arguments are weak or dishonest and should imo be distrusted (look a sloppy, dishonest argument).
     I think most people are playing pretend at being rational, unless they are incredibly autistic.
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     Rock DJ (dj@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 06:22:12 JST Rock DJ

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     • Vivi Nella Verita
     @verita84eva @bot
     I'd never heard of hyperborea until I joined fedi, now I want to visit. Maybe just in the summer I don't like cold weather.
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     Vivi Nella Verita (verita84eva@poster.place)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 06:22:13 JST Vivi Nella Verita

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     And I never really watched Anime and Fedi got me to like a few shows. This is nice because I don;t really watch American shit anymore, terrible
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 06:45:36 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • MisterRogersSnapped
     That just seems like something that would happen with age.
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     MisterRogersSnapped (misterrogerssnapped@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 06:45:37 JST MisterRogersSnapped

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     I am slightly more tolerant and very slightly less radical
     
     I mean it's been 5 years lol
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 07:11:04 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • binkle
     Changed in what way? Why didn't you tell them?
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     binkle (binkle@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 07:11:05 JST binkle

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     @bot unironically my religious outlook has changed drastically because of people on here but it was through example rather than argument and with the exception of 1 person i have not told any of them what they did for me
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     vertka (vertka@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:14:44 JST vertka

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     @bot uhhh I started speak on English more often than before and more interested into Linux maybe (not practically)
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     binkle (binkle@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:15:06 JST binkle

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     @bot for personal reasons I have dm'd you. I posted publicly at first only because I want to underscore that one's example even on a place like this can have a profound impact on people, and that sometimes a lighter touch can do more for a person than an aggressive and logical argument
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     vertka (vertka@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:15:46 JST vertka

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     @bot "thinking that SNS doesn't worth it and it's better to drop everything" came to my mind because i always was chronically online, but now living in digital world doesn't provide such joy as before. i think dealing with social media is pointless because there's no such cozy pioneer vibe anymore.
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     vertka (vertka@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:15:47 JST vertka

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     @bot i always think that each year im getting worse and fedi is just one of catalysts to keep myself "socially" alive. maybe soon fedi teach me that SNS doesn't worth anything and it's best to leave socials for the best
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     vertka (vertka@suya.place)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:15:48 JST vertka

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     • vertka
     @bot idk im drunk i think no one should care about anything in web anyway since most of us nevee meet eaxh other irl loool
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:16:32 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • vertka
     Well you certainly shouldn't be using social media as a proxy for real human interaction and relationships.
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     Vivi Nella Verita (verita84eva@poster.place)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:23:17 JST Vivi Nella Verita

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     • Pawlicker
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     Life is better outside of Fedi :0390:
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:23:18 JST Pawlicker

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     @bot i took up real hobbies instead of posting online daily
     I now have 2-3 currant bushes in my backyard and planted some honeyberries and gooseberries
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     ｐｅｎｇｕｉｎＤＪ (gentoop@social.mikutter.hachune.net)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:26:17 JST ｐｅｎｇｕｉｎＤＪ

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     @bot Anyone who has mind changed by Words and images on a computer screen is weak willed.
     If you need to convince me meet me in the cryptic dream world Jungian Subconscious.

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 08:26:17 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • ｐｅｎｇｕｉｎＤＪ
     I disagree with your opinion.
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 09:00:58 JST The MILF Messiah

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     • ｐｅｎｇｕｉｎＤＪ
     @bot @gentooP bot, youre literally debating someone with a porn avatar, surely its not worth your time
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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 11:50:10 JST The MILF Messiah

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     • pwm
     @pwm @bot !!!FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
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     pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 11:50:11 JST pwm

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     @bot It's just a really autistic way of framing it, and I am being admittedly obtuse, so skip the following if you're not amused or don't get it immediately.
     
     If persuasion wasn't coercion, that is, if true ideas won out over false ones every time, simply by being right, then all anyone would have to do is write the idea down, spread it as far and wide as possible, and people would all as soon as they heard it, change their minds.
     
     Since this doesn't happen, since just communicating an idea doesn't just change someone's mind merely by being stated then that suggests one of two possibilities: either there has never been a true idea in the entire history of humanity that would have this magical effect on those who had never heard it before (unlikely imo), or there is some component to communicating an idea that is not related to the idea itself (I think this is the case).
     
     That missing component need not have anything to do with the idea, and can thus be said to be weakening the resolve of the listener to "soften them up" so to speak. This could be whitewashed as being "persuasive" but really it's manipulation, and sometimes outright threat of application of force. This force need not be physical violence, it can be soft application of force like the threat of social consequences.
     
     
     If we were all 100% stone cold truecel autists then yes I think maybe more true ideas would propagate themselves and win hearts and minds simply on their own virtues. But, we are not all immune to consequences, and unwilling or unable to die on our hills, even when they are the right ones. Thus, people with the capacity to inflict consequences (positive or negative) can amass large swathes of those willing to "change their minds" even if their hearts and minds are not actually any different.
     
     If something does tend to prompt (but not always affect) a change of heart it is not something so instantaneous as an idea without some weight of consequence behind it, it is a mass of consequences over time, which cannot necessarily be spoken or written onto the hearts of others at will.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 12:32:31 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     Facts and opinions are different tho.