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   lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 21:21:56 JST lainy
   > But beyond that the wider politics of disgust, and its relation to conservative, fascist, ethno-exclusionist and other right wing politics is a long established phenomenon. A film this vomitously moving, cannot but become a modern staple of the online right. Like K-On it too immediately sums up the worldview of far-right politics to be ignored
   
   kulak on fire again
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 21:26:14 JST lainy

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     @fiume kulak reviewing some 4chan india liveleak movie: https://www.anarchonomicon.com/p/film-review-india-the-worst-country
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     𝚂𝚎𝚟 ⥀川 (fiume@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 21:26:15 JST 𝚂𝚎𝚟 ⥀川

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     @lain@lain.com What is this referring to?

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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 21:54:39 JST cell classic

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     @lain i don’t get why people seem to worship jp as some bastion of homogenic paradise when one could argue that their culture has been irreversibly changed by contact with the west
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 21:59:20 JST lainy

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     @cell would have changed the language a lot
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 21:59:21 JST cell classic

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     @lain still though it would have been hilarious if those people in the early 20th century who argued that kanji and kana should be abolished in favor of romaji had their way
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:02:54 JST Fish of Rage

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     @cell @lain If you exclude the singular important event of post World War 2 reconstruction, the character of Japanese cultural adoption is that it is completely done on its own terms. So like, Japan will take from other cultures. But it takes what it wants, leaves the the unwanted, and modifies it to Japanese tastes. This is in complete contrast to Western multiculturalism which is forced on people that never asked for it and if asked wouldn't have wanted it.
     
     Also, the character of Japanese adoption is europhile, long after Westerners have been taught to hate their history and culture, Japan does stories and art embracing it.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:07:46 JST lainy

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     @cell i think it's very different, korea dropped hanja too but korean has enough phonemes to actually distinguish different chinese-derived words even without seeing the hanzi, in japanese there would be like 50 different 'sousou's. There are some very old japanese texts that use pretty much no chinese loanwords and they would work perfectly with the latin alphabet.
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:07:47 JST cell classic

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     @lain i mean pinyin is helping billions of people become literate in hanzi so there is merit to that argument somewhat ^^
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:13:30 JST lainy

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     @cell @sun the OP is more about living in an extreme high-trust society, although the current alt-right thinking often conflates that with monocultural ethnostates, even when it can be done in other ways.
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:13:31 JST cell classic

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     @sun @lain oh that’s actually quite interesting - i don’t really understand how multiculturalism in the west works on a ground level basis so to speak so it seems foreign to me :cirnoPeek:
     
     but wouldn’t it be different in a place like the usa where cultural identities of multiple immigrants meet as compared to say europe where well defined differences in cultures usually also are correlated to political borders between nations?
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:19:03 JST lainy

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     @cell @sun yeah, reading up on how lee kuan yew actually kept the peace is kind of crazy, but he surely was successful. Same goes for our dear sheikh.
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:19:04 JST cell classic

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     @lain @sun aah of course makes sense - i think we discussed before the difference between various countries’ ways of achieving Ordnung
     
     Japan’s ordnung is bottom-up, while I would argue that Singapore’s ordnung is top-down
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:20:16 JST cell classic

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     @sun @lain at least for me as an asian (the fact that you can generalize the term is funny on its own) for instance the brainworms second+ generation asian americans get trying to reconcile their cultures is interesting to see
     
     the culture shock as they go and visit asia for the first time - the fact that i personally would consider them american first…
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:20:44 JST lainy

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     @cell @sun that's a fascist dogwhistle
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:22:44 JST lainy

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     @cell @sun plus racist and sexist
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:22:45 JST cell classic

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     @lain @sun alot of commonly held opinions of asians generally would be considered fascist over in the west 🥺
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:33:03 JST Fish of Rage

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     @cell @lain this is a sensitive topic. "sensitive" meaning if you talk about it truthfully in a way where people could make informed political decisions about it they might say no so you have to shut down discussion at all costs since the decision was already made by our elite class.
     
     it's not unique to the USA it's just any place with a lot of cultures together, except _how_ it happens and the expectations placed on the immigrant groups. politically you are not allowed to be integrationist anymore, expecting foreigners to adapt to their new country is racist. I am not conceptually opposed to immigration personally but I strongly believe in integration and trying to make one culture. I believe that if you don't try to make one culture out of everyone immigrating then you end up needing an authoritarian government to suppress conflict. Another way out of this is let in anybody from anywhere but have requirements like university education.
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:54:36 JST cell classic

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     @sun @lain but i still don’t understand how this works on the ground at least? american political discourse seems so poisoned anyway it would be funny if it didn’t affect things halfway across the world
     
     you guys switched from ethnic to national quotas for immigration quite recently too - and at least from reading the stats seems like most of the immigration is happening from asia now - but i don’t see alot of messaging for or against such things?? :cirno_think:
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:54:36 JST Fish of Rage

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     @cell @lain Something I have noticed about "diversity" in the USA is that it just means "more black people" and "less white people". Other minorities don't matter except if you compare to whites. If you have a tech company it can be 60% Asian, but if it doesn't have enough black people you hire even less white people because it is not actually about representation or the actual meaning of the word "diversity". Indian and Arab Americans are growing in numbers rapidly but their representation in popular media hasn't grown with it. If you watch American television you assume that America is 60% white 39% black and 1% anything else.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 22:59:02 JST Fish of Rage

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     @cell @lain Asian representation in American media is absolutely pathetic, even when it's featured it's usually a vanilla "asian amalgamation, vaguely chinese" character.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 23:03:53 JST Fish of Rage

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     @cell @lain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangers_with_Candy_(film) I thought "wow this weird, and very uncomfortable movie actually has interesting representation" because the movie features a main character that is Indonesian and some Indonesian culture. But then I looked closer and the guy playing the Indonesian character is Ecuadorian LOL. They literally won't even put an Indonesian actor in an Indonesian role.
     
     Don't get me started on Ghost in the Shell, where they replaced a Japanese main character with a white woman and then ALMOST NEVER even said her name, because "Motoko" is too confusing for Americans. Japanese characters are almost always played by non-Japanese actors.
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 23:04:20 JST cell classic

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     @sun @lain it’s okay it took a year or so on fedi before people realized i was asian
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 23:04:31 JST Fish of Rage

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     @cell @lain you are so articulate and clean.
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 23:28:57 JST cell classic

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     @sun @lain side note i have a few indonesian friends who studied there and they complained about the (corporate) push for diversity there - it's like you want to push for people to live in harmony together without even considering the cultures themselves and how things might clash, a total disregard for subtlety
     best part of course was how one of them complained at how racist the californian gay scene was that was an eye opener
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 23:29:04 JST Fish of Rage

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     @ZRDR_DelRio @cell @lain yes its great
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     Del Rio Kun~ (zrdr_delrio@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 23:29:05 JST Del Rio Kun~

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     @sun @cell @lain wasn't this a show? I liked it as a kid
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 23:29:09 JST cell classic

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     @sun @lain “omg moon that’s so unintentionally racist!!!!111”
     jkjk ily dear leader 🤎
     unironically i feel though like everyone assuming the worst on both sides is a good contributor to why everything is so fucked nowadays ngl
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 23:56:59 JST lainy

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     @sun @cell it's changing, not so much in legacy media (although there is stuff like 'crazy rich asians' now) but there's lots of asian stuff on youtube
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Apr-2024 00:03:12 JST cell classic

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     @lain @sun Crazy Rich Asians is interesting in that the movie got alot of support from the Singaporean Tourism Board, while simultaneously portraying the life of only the top 0.x% people here and the author of the book it was based on is wanted by the SG government for draft dodging
     
     if you want the True Blue Singaporean experience go watch Phua Chu Kang or Under One Roof :0180:
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     cell classic (cell@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 15-Apr-2024 00:07:20 JST cell classic

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     @lain @sun for movies there's I Not Stupid and I Not Stupid Too; had fond memories watching them in mandarin class :comfy_cirno:
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     richard tucker (trappist-1@malding.online)'s status on Monday, 15-Apr-2024 00:47:24 JST richard tucker

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     >That it is only after having immersed yourself in Kyoto Animation’s purely innocent story of adolescent Japanese girls starting a light-music club in a 1st world, safe, functional, walkable, monoethnic country that one can truly comprehend what ethno-nationalism, Fascism, or the Axis powers were ever truly about.
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