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   pry (pry@raru.re)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 09:42:08 JST pry

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   @scathach hm fair. I thought the paper had some cool ideas and honestly activitypub doesn't feel terribly exciting to me. I'm rlly glad I've got an awesome community but it rlly does feel like activitypub needs lots of improvement

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     :cacodemon_fast_spin: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 09:42:07 JST :cacodemon_fast_spin:

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     @pry i think Nostr is way more interesting tbh I just wish it had more people
     
     Well, there's lots of people so far they just only talk about Nostr meta and Bitcoin. Which is fine I just feel like I'm shouting into a void when I use it and am talking about literally anything else
     
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 12:37:36 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @dielan @pry @scathach that's really the big issue with those crypto-based social networks, farcaster is the same, everyone just talks about crypto 24/7.
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     :cacodemon_fast_spin: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 12:48:31 JST :cacodemon_fast_spin:

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     @lain it doesn't have to be that way though, cuz crypto isnt required for the network to function
     
     Theres a layer tacked on with lightning for tipping but its more of a convenience thing. I remember in December '22 it didnt even have it. I dont think adding it was a bad thing but I get the perception issue
     
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     :cacodemon_fast_spin: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 12:49:44 JST :cacodemon_fast_spin:

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     @pry thats actually what I like about Nostr. Its all pubkey/privkey identity and signed messages
     
     But unlike ssb - you can actually find and talk to people lol
     
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     pry (pry@raru.re)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 12:49:45 JST pry

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     @lain @dielan @scathach yea and those definitely just seem annoying.

     blockchains are valid (but i wouldnt say preferably) solutions to some of the problems of decentralized social media: the problem of identity, and the problem of incentivizing hosting

     but i think both of these have non blockchain solutions which would be preferable.

     for identity (w3c DID), why not do public key private key identity? someone is identified by being able to sign things with their private key (I believe ssb did this)

     incentivizing hosting is harder but perhaps you could do something like what new freenet is trying to do: penalize leechers and give priority to those who participate in the network?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 12:52:38 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @pry @lain @dielan @scathach Well one of the big problems with keypair-as-identity is you'll have to be very careful to not end up with the opposite of decent cryptographic practices such as key rotation.
     
     And people have multiple devices and over time loose some of them.
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     :cacodemon_fast_spin: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 13:00:23 JST :cacodemon_fast_spin:

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     @lanodan if something ever happened to my keypair I'd lose everything and have to start over lol
     
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 13:00:23 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @dielan @lain @pry @scathach Or end up with your account taken over because your keypair was in a long forgotten dropbox account.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 13:02:57 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @dielan @lain @pry @scathach Which is pretty much what any big social network actually does, although possibly more like 100 databases but still the same kind of design.
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     :cacodemon_fast_spin: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 13:02:58 JST :cacodemon_fast_spin:

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     @pry can't be worse than storing everybody's post in 1000s of databases :cacolaugh:
     
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     pry (pry@raru.re)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Apr-2024 13:02:59 JST pry

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     @dielan @lain @lanodan @scathach thats fair... it still seems like the most compelling truly decentralized forms of identity. but yea its a hard problem and this definitely isnt going to cut it for mainstream adoption.