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    Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:40:44 JST Sick Sun Sick Sun
    A lot of the electric car industry is propped up by government subsidy
    In conversation about 8 months ago from shitposter.world permalink
    • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: and ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: like this.
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      Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:42:52 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
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      @sun Imagine how expensive it's all going to be when the subsidies run out. :blobfox0_0: #enshittification
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:45:54 JST Sick Sun Sick Sun
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      • Matt Hamilton
      @eriner I disagree with you on this. Superficially rising co2 helps plants and farms but it goes along with massive reduction in biodiversity. Like if you replaced an old growth forest with a giant ocean algae bloom
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:45:55 JST Matt Hamilton Matt Hamilton
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      @sun you didn't finish the sentence.

      > A lot of the electric car industry is propped up by government subsidy... because they've discovered that burning fossil fuels is terraforming the Earth and would bring prosperity to the people they rule over.

      Can't have that.

      RT: https://noauthority.social/@eriner/111763887766812430

      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink

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        Matt Hamilton (@eriner@noauthority.social)
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        "From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25." Published April 26th, 2016 Source: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth -- This information is based on observational study, not theoretical modeling.
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      on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:48:55 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
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      @sun it’s so hard to get an idea of the real prices for so many things, subsidies are in so many industries
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:48:59 JST Sick Sun Sick Sun
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      • Matt Hamilton
      @eriner oh yeah it is not solely the product of that and it’s hard to tie it I agree.
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Matt Hamilton (eriner@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:49:00 JST Matt Hamilton Matt Hamilton
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      @sun

      > but it goes along with massive reduction in biodiversity

      I think there are too many confounding variables to claim that biodiversity reduction is a direct result of CO2 increases (and the combustion of fossil fuels).

      Habitat destruction (and tangentially, the urban island effect) is more Occam's razor as far as I'm concerned.

      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:50:36 JST feld feld
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      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @tk @sun the subsidies never ran out for oil. Imagine if USA had to pay the true price there
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:51:41 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
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      • feld
      @feld @sun Electric cars would also become more expensive because of plastics and transportation costs in that case. (Obviously neither of those are specific to electric cars, but they won't be immune.)
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:54:01 JST Sick Sun Sick Sun
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @feld @tk oil doesn’t have as many direct subsidies as it used to but there are other things government does that props it up yeah
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:57:58 JST Sick Sun Sick Sun
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @feld @tk this doesn’t jive at all with what I’ve read so I’ll follow back up on it.
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 02:57:59 JST feld feld
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      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @sun @tk explicit is over $1T. Combined with implicit it's over $7T now.
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink

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      Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:00:05 JST Sick Sun Sick Sun
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @feld @tk I don’t totally understand the note they indicated. Like many things how you calculate it can differ.
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:03:15 JST feld feld
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      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @sun @tk paper is here

      https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2023/08/22/IMF-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies-Data-2023-Update-537281
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink

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      Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:03:54 JST Sick Sun Sick Sun
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @feld @tk ok so they are calculating based on pricing externalities. I am talking about handing over cold hard cash, cheap loans and tax breaks
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:07:22 JST Sick Sun Sick Sun
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
      @feld @tk @jeffcliff that is closer to what I expected
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:07:23 JST feld feld
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      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
      @jeffcliff @tk @sun yeah this is global, but USA explicitly does $20B according to many reports

      > Calculating the cost of U.S. subsidies for the fossil fuel industry is complex because the incentives stretch across the U.S. tax code, but estimates range from $10 to $50 billion per year.

      https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-budget-targets-us-fossil-fuel-subsidies-2023-03-09/
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink

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      Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:07:24 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @sun @feld @tk that looks like global numbers. US might be down marginally.
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Western Betrayal (timaeus@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:26:00 JST Western Betrayal Western Betrayal
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
      @jeffcliff @tk @feld @sun opposite of what?
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:26:00 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      • Western Betrayal
      @timaeus @tk @feld @sun

      A petrostate. When government and O&G industry no longer function as separate entities, as happens in places like saudi arabia, iraq, alberta & saskatchewan.
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:26:01 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      • Western Betrayal
      @timaeus @tk @feld @sun that chart is literally the opposite; money laundering to the petrostate
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Western Betrayal (timaeus@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 03:26:02 JST Western Betrayal Western Betrayal
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      @feld @tk @sun climate hoax money laundering at its finest
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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      Dudebro (dudebro@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2024 05:08:20 JST Dudebro Dudebro
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      • feld
      • Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:
      • Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧
      I’m assuming most of that is making shitty ethanol because wasting food on gasoline is smart.
      In conversation about 8 months ago permalink
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