Matt "msw" Wilson
How it started: "This change has zero effect on the Redis core license, which is and will always be licensed under the 3-Clause-BSD."
How it's going: "Beginning today, all future versions of Redis will be released with source-available licenses. Starting with Redis 7.4, Redis will be dual-licensed under the Redis Source Available License (RSALv2) and Server Side Public License (SSPLv1)."
Simon Willison
@msw Urgh what a miserable diff
Matt "msw" Wilson
I'm glad that the page with all the historical sponsors of Redis will live on in the git repository for redis.io.
Because it's been deleted from the live site.
#FreeSoftware #OpenSource #OSS #FOSS #Redis
https://github.com/redis/redis-doc/commit/69921f506c02f65606498cfb4c083c6d8f91f125#diff-37e42b9ec4444d471df6fb6ecdf749410085a20c7c345f76de31fae9ed69be1f
Matt "msw" Wilson
https://redis.com/blog/redis-adopts-dual-source-available-licensing/
Matt "msw" Wilson
@Ric I mean, a hard fork already exists (KeyDB).
:mastodon: Ric Harvey 🇪🇺🌍💚
@msw do you think we’ll see a hard fork?
Matt "msw" Wilson
@Ric From my POV, we'll have to see how the Redis community responds.
:mastodon: Ric Harvey 🇪🇺🌍💚
@msw what does this mean in simple terms Matt?
Matt "msw" Wilson
@sageofredondo @Ric MPL was not sufficient friction to prevent Hashicorp's license change... There are believed to be MPL v2 contributions that haven't been "written out" of the code base that were pre-CLA.
John Wyatt 🐧
@msw @Ric going to be asking about this tomorrow at Red Hat. My opinion is we need to start using strong copyleft licenses. MPL v2 with an option to relicense to (L)GPL v2 or higher at the least.
mikolaj
@msw
"By embracing source-available licenses, Redis aims to foster a more inclusive and sustainable ecosystem"
How is switching to a non-free license "inclusive"?
Matt "msw" Wilson
Microsoft ❤️ Open Source
#OpenSource #FreeSoftware #FOSS #OSS #Redis
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/redis-license-update-what-you-need-to-know/
Brian Swetland
@mikolaj @msw Maybe they're thinking about whatever happens with the inevitable fork(s) of the pre-"source-available"-licensed version of Redis...
cholling
Scott Williams 🐧
@msw What the dump did I just read?
"By embracing source-available licenses, Redis aims to foster a more inclusive and sustainable ecosystem that encourages collaboration and innovation. These licenses ensure that developers have access to the latest Redis technologies while also preserving the integrity of the open-source community."
Matthew Miller
Preserving the integrity by removing themselves from it?
Simon Phipps
@msw We pointed out the errors in that article and they mostly removed them.
Björn
@msw @bootlegrydia So #redis is no longer free software? I think it is strange that we are at a point where open source isn't controlled
enough anymore compared to the term #foss..
smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)
PS. GPL fork at Codeberg (under maintenance right now), see: https://fosstodon.org/@drewdevault/112134641456720733
clacke
Programmer 832-529 🍅
@msw who could possibly know what "always" means?
Dan Ciruli
@msw maybe someday I'll finish up my "Beware Single Company Open Source" article...
Sean Tilley
Matt "msw" Wilson
Wow, what an overwhelming community response in this PR. It is not a surprise when something like #Redis has become so loved by its community. There’s a clear sentiment that with this change it has been taken away.
I encourage folks to support #OpenSource maintainers who were doing the hard work as individuals. They didn’t ask for any of this disruption in their lives. They exist and their efforts matter.
#FOSS #OSS #FreeSoftware
https://github.com/redis/redis/pull/13157#issuecomment-2014355620
clacke
@curtosis @msw Sounds far-fetched, but that doesn't matter. Amazon and IBM won't touch the SSPL with a ten-foot pole, which is the purpose of the license. The purpose achieved, the details are moot.
There were multiple forks already, and at least two formed in response to the company's actions. Nobody has a reason to stay on Redis Redis unless they want to, e.g. if they want to pay Redis for support.
curtosis
@msw IANAL but it strikes me as entirely plausible that Redis is promissorily estopped from enforcing the new license against anyone who made investments in reliance on that statement.
Not great for the small fish, but they’d be nuts to go after an IBM or Amazon.
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