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   ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving: (nyx@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 05:20:43 JST ??? 妛彁 :xf_nyxsigil: :xf_nyxdisapproving:

   • The Wolf of Wallsocket Street dir. Martin Underscorcese
   @larsfrommars I love Silvia Federici, shame she's kind of terfy 🥀
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     @larsfrommars as I understand it, a lot of the accusations of her being a terf come from some really specious reasoning about how the fact that Federici has dared to critique the Butlerian line of feminist thought means that she must be a terf, and I strongly resent that accusation. not to do a "speaking as an X" as if that can substitute for reading a text critically... but speaking as I guess something of a transfeminist theorist person (lol), I've been influenced far more by materialist and Marxist feminism (alongside cyberfem and xenofem which imo are related tendencies) and felt like they spoke more to my self-interests and my experiences than any performance-based Butlerian theories. I don't wanna completely throw out Butler but I think her ideas pretty much inherently lend themselves to feminism being recuperated by libfem, because theories of performance and representation reduce all of the material realities of gender stuff down to being semiotic games. it just doesn't sit right with me from a Deleuzian perspective either.
     
     but idk I'm eepy and barely managing to put together a coherent post. I just extremely dislike the implication from the people who have accused her of being a terf that being critical of Butler means being anti-trans. Butler does not speak for me at all. fuck her, in fact.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 05:20:38 JST georgia

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     @nyx @larsfrommars Butler sucks and performativity is neoliberal crap. Existence is experience, not performance. Re TERFiness I reject the notion that recognizing womens oppression being rooted in the burden of reproduction (materialist/marxist feminism) means that trans women are excluded from feminism. They're considered worthless or whores in the way women who aren't mothers/madonnas are cast. Also trans feminism is compatible with existential (de beauvoirian) feminism (lived experience as a woman with an individually varying degree of female socialization) whereas identitarian queer theory is essentialist/idealist, asserting some sort of feminine geist along a spectrum with a masculine dyad. My last take is that radfems have a greater likelihood of destroying gender by including a caste of people who inherently challenge it. Or at least, should be challenging it if they weren't so desperate to self-validate with regressive ideas about gender roles. I blame internet brainrot.
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     @nyx i don't think she's ever actually written anything very anti-trans besides the one not great judith butler book it's just like appearances she's made and stuff

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     @larsfrommars it's just a shame there's this caveat that as a person she kinda sucks, and also apparently Caliban and the Witch has some issues related to historical accuracy or something? I think @mazel was talking about this awhile back
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     @larsfrommars okay actually now I'm wondering if maybe the terf accusations against her are overblown inaccurate bullshit from some rando on the internet. I will need to look into this more
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     @larsfrommars oh yeah I'm a big fan of her and the Autonomist feminists in general, they've been a huge influence on me along with cyberfem/xenofem
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     The Wolf of Wallsocket Street dir. Martin Underscorcese (larsfrommars@toot.garden)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 05:20:43 JST The Wolf of Wallsocket Street dir. Martin Underscorcese

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     @nyx WFH was soo cool tho

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     @georgia @larsfrommars agreed on all counts, I've always been in general way more sympathetic to most of the problematic feminist tendencies and found them to be far more useful to my experiences as a transfem than the stuff that is deemed acceptable by shitlib academics. the biggest problem with the history of feminist theory/movements is mostly that whatever potential productive conversations there are that could have happened have been erased by libfem, probably because these other tendencies actually pose a threat to patriarchy and other things. granted, there are real problems with various things from the second wave (radfem, existentialfem, matfem, etc.) where they were either overwhelmingly white, or did have actual terfy tendencies (and they did, quite a bit), but the thing you're supposed to do when you take a body of work seriously is grapple with everything that is complicated and difficult about it. we do this with 'problematic' male philosophers, but when it comes to women, they just all get thrown out regardless of how much value their work has.
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     nae (nae@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 05:46:43 JST nae

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     @georgia @nyx @larsfrommars this this this this this I've been preaching this since 2014, moving the "true gender" from between the legs and into the head is the same platonist idealism bullshit with a nice libshit color on it
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     nae (nae@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 05:46:54 JST nae

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     @georgia @larsfrommars @nyx tbh the only reason shit ever got this messy theory wise is because of misogyny. Imagine people doing to marxism what people have done to feminism. I mean they have but they are laughed out of the room. Or given CIA funding. Ykwim.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 05:51:02 JST georgia

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     @nae @nyx @larsfrommars not to mention that when gender is an idea in the head its easy to obfuscate global male violence against girls and women including pornography and to instead tout the "equality of all genders"
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     @georgia @nae @larsfrommars it's exactly why people will accuse transfems of being terfs whenever they start advocating for their own self-interests and insisting that transfems are uniquely oppressed specifically for being women who are pretty much ontically incapable of ever, as you said, fulfilling any of the roles that are socially acceptable for women (as the maiden or mother). nobody understands what radfem is or has read any of the theory (including most gendercrit people), and they don't even give a fuck about transfems' problems. it's all about obfuscation and silencing women who have any actually radical politics
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     nae (nae@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 06:04:36 JST nae

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     @georgia @nyx @larsfrommars absolutely, I swear to god libfem is a CIA spook
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     nae (nae@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 06:10:18 JST nae

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     @nyx @georgia @larsfrommars as if fitting the material needs of trans women into the rf material critique of patriarchy is actually any kind of challenge at all if you engage with the theory on a good faith basis
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 06:12:45 JST georgia

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     @nae @nyx @larsfrommars fr it just requires viewing womanhood as a class rather than a caste.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 06:21:02 JST georgia

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     @nae @larsfrommars @nyx a close colleague and friend of Dworkin said this in an anti-exclusion piece. I think he was her husband actually?
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 06:25:39 JST georgia

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     @larsfrommars @nae @nyx ah thanks for the reminder
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     @georgia @nae @nyx not husband but 'life partner' they lived together but he was gay

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     :labrys-chaostar: ØtherwØrlder :labrys-chaostar: (0utside0utsider@social.xenofem.me)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 07:17:32 JST :labrys-chaostar: ØtherwØrlder :labrys-chaostar:

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     @nyx @larsfrommars @nae @georgia i have other context for the federici terf accusations, and a very important follow up! some of the grounded terf accusations about Federici come from talks she gave around 2012 where people asked her why trans people were not included in her analysis of the origins of modern patriarchy, and she answered by basically saying that trans people were a modern invention and that control of biological reproduction was the actual site of oppression, and gender was just an outcome, so trans people were just an outcome of this system, and were only relevant In a modern context art interruption of reproduction (This infamously resulted in one of her talks being idk sabotaged? By a crew of anti-civ gender nihilists, who basically took over the talk and turned it into a shouting match till people just gave up and people left or kept arguing till exhaustion)
     
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     at some point within a few years after that interaction, she had changed her stance around trans people, having talked with a lot of trans feminists and indigenous trans people about trans peoples role in the patriarchal capitalist system of reproduction and the role of trans extermination in colonialism and genocide.
     
     She's gone on to name and include trans women in her analysis of global capitalist patriarchy and the sphere of reproduction in talks she has given
     
     I had a chance to ask her directly about how her analysis and framework has changed wrt trans women at a talk she gave several years back, and her answer (summarized) was that she had come to see the oppression of trans women as being a central component of patriarchal reproduction, and that that trans women occupy a position not unlike the lumpenproletariat in the realm of reproduction. She also connected the reaction against trans people globally to the modern day witch hunts, and to how restrictions on abortion and transness seem to go hand and hand. It was a very welcome answer
     
     Some follow up conversations after are where my view that many pre-capitalist modes of reproduction involved implicit material bonds of what we might now call (with a limited framework) solidarity between women both trans&cis +non-binary peoples in the forms of maintained knowledge basis of medicines and capacities to navigate body changes of all sorts, given that almost all of the techniques for inducing hormone and bodily transformations also can modify any hormonal effect, such as controlling menstruation, modifying fertility, inducing abortions, or easing elements of menopause, not to mention literally everything else hormones regulate; and that this is why so many trans women are priestesses of fertility goddesses or have sacred roles similar to that of "wise women" in many indigenous social orders; and thus, that rupturing this social form bonding mutual flows of support is always implicitly part of the colonization and ethno/genocide of social orders by patriarchal capitalist modernity (and is part of the dynamic process of modernities construction that creates/produces the divisions between trans and cis women)
     
     Truly I think we see echo's of this, I mean, a nontrivial amount of trans women are abortion dulas. Now if only we could convince more cis women to also be transition dulas....
     (No more sister wars!!! Death to patriarchy!!!)
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     Masonic Cowgirl (julieofthespirits@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 07:18:55 JST Masonic Cowgirl

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     @0utside0utsider @nae @nyx @larsfrommars I don't have any problems with that idea of trans women as being the lumpenproletariat of patriarchal reproduction, and I think it offers a materialist analysis of why trans women are so killable

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     @julieofthespirits @0utside0utsider @nyx @larsfrommars it's also true to different extents for infertile women, cis lesbians, etc. not worthy of the ordained place of reproduction, instead punished for nonconformance.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Mar-2024 07:21:28 JST georgia

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     @julieofthespirits @0utside0utsider @nae @nyx @larsfrommars being killable HIGHLY intersects with being a BIPOC and being prostituted/trafficked ie white capitalism and male violence are to blame there.