Foone🏳️⚧️
It's kinda depressing how tumblr is imploding now and I'm seeing half my follow list go "man, after seeing both twitter and tumblr do this, it's really showing how it's a bad idea for a social media network to be run by a company who can make arbitrary changes without user consent.
anyway, here's my bsky: ..."
Joshua Doll ?♂️
@foone strong Flanders parent vibes
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈
@foone "Lucy and the Football, Charlie Brown, is fooled again "
clacke
@foone But why even leave tumblr? Now that Twitter is collapsing, the cool stuff I see on corporate networks is increasingly coming from tumblr.
If I didn't have Fedi and was leaving Twitter, I'd be more likely to go to tumblr than to bsky, nostr or threads, just because tumblr has better and more trustworthy leadership and cooler members.
Foone🏳️⚧️
it's weird because it's not like bsky is any more tumblr-like than mastodon. and there are activitypub-based socials designed to work more like tumblr... but nope, mastodon is scary, so when tumblr dies, we'll go to bsky. what'll happen on bsky in a year or do? don't worry about it!
vicki
@foone honestly tumblr is as confusing to new users as mastodon is
clacke
@foone aaaah what the
But that's basically their userbase. Or maybe that's my sampling bias. 😆
Foone🏳️⚧️
@clacke tumblr has recently been having a meltdown involving mass banning trans people, so a lot of trans people are leaving
clacke
Context: Why tumblr is collapsing
clacke
jonathankoren™
@mcc @foone There definitely seems to be a large population of people that can’t conceive of an internet that isn’t one gigantic walled garden. Thus finding mastodon/activitypub confusing and intimidating.[*]
Mix in the mastodon old guard being quite insular, and frankly wrongheaded about a lot of things. It’s not really much of a surprise.
I like decentralization a lot, but man. The amount of Drama™ the masto community insists on is making me get a repetitive stress injury in my eyes from rolling them so much.
[*] I stand by the idea instances actually don’t matter beyond the ability to peace out and move when whatever instance admin gets drunk with power. Old masto folks putting an emphasis on choosing an instance adds needless anxiety.
Albert ARIBAUD ✎
Re the last point (that instances don't actually matter insofar as relocating is possible), I would respectufully disagree.
Instances don't matter *if* one does not use the local or federated timeline and one does not car which other instances federate or don't.
On any two instances, the local and federated timelines, *and* the home timeline, may differ greatly and thus, leave a very different impression to anyone looking at, and comparing, both.
mcc
@foone I think your point is good but I want to note one special case: A lot of Japanese artists seem to be jumping to Bluesky right now, and I think the reason they're jumping to Bluesky right now instead of Mastodon is that on Mastodon you can get banned for being Japanese* and this is not true on Bluesky.
* Read: "Banned for being federated with a particular large Japanese server". This was as far as I understand a very real problem at one time, I do not for a fact know whether it still is.
Albert ARIBAUD ✎
@glitchontwitch @jonathankoren @mcc @foone
Respectfully again: if a new Mastodon user, freshly arrived on their first instance, does not read the local and/or federated timeline, at least at first and for some time, then how will they ever discover people and/or hashtags to follow? And if they follow no one and no tags, then how will their home timeline contain anything for them to read?
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Glitch
@aaribaud @jonathankoren @mcc @foone
While I do get your point, two things:
1. It's not a big if for someone new to masto to not use the local/federated timelines. And so, not consider them a factor. That's very much a fediverse concept -- anything analogous on centralized social networks will basically be a completely uncurated firehose. Not appealing.
I've been on here for approaching 2 years now, and I've checked my local/federated timelines maybe 10-20 times ever, if I'm being generous.
Albert ARIBAUD ✎
@glitchontwitch @jonathankoren @mcc @foone
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Now, maybe newcomers receive a customized instance welcome message with a few pointers; but then again, as such messages would be customized per instance, that would make the experience on two distinct instances very different.
Albert ARIBAUD ✎
@glitchontwitch @jonathankoren @mcc @foone This point I do agree with.
Glitch
@aaribaud @jonathankoren @mcc @foone
2. There's a difference between "doesn't matter" and "will never matter". Getting very fixated on choosing the perfect instance in the beginning, to the point of just giving up is very much focusing on something that doesn't have to matter... yet.
I may decide that my instance is actually a bad fit for me. But it's better that I got on here and developed relationships which motivate me to stick around, than if I kept on holding off, like I was for months.
Glitch
@aaribaud @jonathankoren @mcc @foone
Am I missing out on some kind of local instance community interaction? Yeah probably. But that's not why I'm here. That's not what I'm using masto for.
Those who do have that in mind, already have an idea what kind of instance they want to be on, and are less likely to get caught up in instance choice anxiety.
Which gets to point 2:
SuperDicq
@filippo@abyssdomain.expert @foone@digipres.club Mastodon gGmbH has no control over the protocol and the fediverse at large. It just develops the Mastodon software.
Bluesky is not decentralized like the fediverse and people should stop calling it that. All communication still goes through their centralized servers.
Yesterday they released the software to allow you to selfhost your data, but what does that even do if all still goes through their servers? There is no federation on Bluesky.
Filippo Valsorda :go:
@foone With Bluesky announcing federation today, how is Bluesky Social PBC more in the position to make arbitrary changes than Mastodon gGmbH?
SuperDicq
@filippo@abyssdomain.expert @foone@digipres.club Also if you want to know the difference between PBC and gGmbH it is that a PBC is a for-profit company whose interest is not "increasing shareholder value" whatever that means.
a gGmbH (note the little "g" in front, that's the important one) is a real non-profit organization.
Sugar
@DreadShips@mastodon.me.uk @foone@digipres.club quote posts exist on fediverse, it's just that mastodon chooses to not have them,
other software like sharkey and akkoma have quote posts, they work fine
Dreadnought Holiday
@foone I use both bsky and here, and I'm increasingly thinking the ability to quote is the killer app - whether you use it to dunk on a bad idea, make a joke or simply highlight why something is worth reading, it makes it so much easier to spin off a conversation with people you know.
And as others have said, the general vibe of the place is different too - Masto can seem incredibly earnest, and quite often a bit sterile.
SuperDicq
@phnt@fluffytail.org @foone@digipres.club @filippo@abyssdomain.expert I mean it's true that Mastodon does have soft control over the fediverse with how things are implemented.
If you're a fediverse software developer this is easily solved by just not caring what your posts look like on Mastodon. It's that simple.
There is no real hard control by Mastodon where they own the standard or anything.
Phantasm
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