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   Marijke Luttekes (mahryekuh@fosstodon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Feb-2024 22:36:20 JST Marijke Luttekes

   Hello, front-end developers. Here's your infrequent reminder to make websites that also work on browsers NOT Google Chrome.

   Forcing anyone to use Google's glorified spyware is not cool.

   #WebDev

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     Marijke Luttekes (mahryekuh@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:02 JST Marijke Luttekes

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     • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     • Janneke
     • David Cantrell 🏏

     @Natanox @DrHyde @janneke News flash, the average technology user has no idea how these things work.

     On one hand, the end user should not have to know about the internals of everything they use (like, I couldn't tell you the exact specs of my refrigerator).

     On the other hand, it does make them more vulnerable to errors.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:02 JST Rich Felker

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     • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     • Janneke
     • David Cantrell 🏏

     @mahryekuh @Natanox @DrHyde @janneke I think it's reasonable to expect an educated populace to understand at a high level that a refrigerator pumps heat out (thus whatever space it's in will get warmer) and maybe have a vague idea this is related to conservation of energy, gas laws they learned about in HS, even if they would have no idea how to make or fix one.

     Similar should be true about computing, except moreso, because not understanding exposes you to being taken advantage of by industry.

     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this.
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     Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:03 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     • Janneke
     • David Cantrell 🏏

     @DrHyde @janneke @mahryekuh Are you serious? Knowing what a file is is a fundamental basic of modern information technology, people are literally digital analphabets not knowing things like that.

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     David Cantrell 🏏 (drhyde@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:05 JST David Cantrell 🏏

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     • Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
     • Janneke

     @Natanox @janneke @mahryekuh I'm quite glad that we're finally progressing to the stage where a user doesn't need to know details about data storage that arose mostly because early operating systems were so primitive.

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     Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (natanox@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:07 JST Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

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     • Janneke

     @janneke @mahryekuh Completely with you on that one. It's a shame things have been so dumbed down that many of the current generation don't even know what a "file" is anymore (iOS and even Android - to some degree - hide that concept behind a fancy "Gallery" app and the utter inability to download anything anymore easily, not just within apps).

     Awful enough that definitions like bloatware, spyware, adware etc. became superfluous given every single popular app fits those descriptions…

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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:08 JST Janneke

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     @mahryekuh
     Yes, I get that. Programming is not for everyone. But I believe it's not up to the developer to decide for the user what she won't be capable of. Quite the contrary.

     I believe that many could learn where it now feels they're being kept dumb/down.

     What happened to the vision of GNU (Emacs) to enable and encourage non-programming persons such as secretaries to learn and start writing small programs?

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     Marijke Luttekes (mahryekuh@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:09 JST Marijke Luttekes

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     • Janneke

     @janneke On the other hand, the average user could not even fathom the idea of using programming code or a command palette.

     The sad truth is that there are too many sites with terrible UX.

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     Marijke Luttekes (mahryekuh@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:11 JST Marijke Luttekes

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     • Janneke

     @janneke I don't get your hate for browsers, but let's agree that there are software flavors for everyone.

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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:11 JST Janneke

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     @mahryekuh
     I don't mind other people using browsers or other GUIs that they cannot extend or programmatically interact with, it just makes me wonder.

     What I hate is when using a browser is the only way for me to get something done. Shoving and aiming a mouse, visually scanning the screen for something that you could in a text interface just declaratively search for,/"go to", repetitively, and without sensible undo, is something I don't have the time or patience for.

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     Janneke (janneke@todon.nl)'s status on Thursday, 22-Feb-2024 16:48:12 JST Janneke

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     @mahryekuh
     Can we please get rid of the ridiculous browser dependence with its childish GUI and mouse shoving and get back to open protocols and sensible text based (user-empowering, programmable/extensible) client softwares?