Low Quality Facts
Biden Supporters: Trumpism is a cult. The MAGA crowd refuses to accept any criticism of Donald Trump, which sets a dangerous precedent.
*Jon Stewart makes a few mild jokes at Biden's expense*
Biden Supporters: How dare he criticize our candidate, this is totally unacceptable.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Nothing in what he said suggested that at all IMO.
Only reason Trump was mentioned, as far as I can tell, was to show how Biden supports act exactly like the Trump supporters they claim to hate (at least in so far as this particular criticism goes).
⸸ commander ░ nova ⸸ :~$
@lowqualityfacts Yeah that's totally reasonable, but this is phrased as if you're getting mad on Donald Trump's behalf, and if that's the case your account is going to the void
Low Quality Facts
@cmdr_nova I'm posting it as someone who believes you should still be able to make jokes about and criticize people/political parties that you support.
⸸ commander ░ nova ⸸ :~$
@lowqualityfacts are you posting this as a low quality fact, or as a Trump supporter
Need to clarify before I suspend
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
This right here, this response, is why Trump is relevant and wins. When the Democrats attack their own supporters, and simply for saying its ok to criticism (like no actual criticism was even given, just the idea its ok). Well thats one sure fire way to send people over to being Trump Supports.
You have probably produced more Trump supporters than most actual Trump supporters.
⸸ commander ░ nova ⸸ :~$
@lowqualityfacts Okay fascist, get the fuck off my timeline
Low Quality Facts
@cmdr_nova That is exactly the problem I am trying to point out here though. It has become impossible to make the smallest criticism about one party without people instantly accusing you of supporting the opposing party. I support Biden, I am going to vote with Biden, and I think it is very problematic when people become afraid to criticize parts of a thing that they generally support.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Yup, I've literally been here longer than you. Thats just what I did, identified you as sea lion trash.
⸸ commander ░ nova ⸸ :~$
@freemo @lowqualityfacts@mstdn.social please give yourself more than 5 minutes on the internet so that you can identify sea lion trash
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@cmdr_nova You'd be doing me a favor, thanks.
⸸ commander ░ nova ⸸ :~$
@freemo @lowqualityfacts@mstdn.social dude just shut up and get suspended lol I don't have time for you
Louis Ingenthron
@cmdr_nova @lowqualityfacts Lmao, congratulations on proving the exact point you clearly missed. Masterclass in obliviousness.
By the way, you won't ever defeat fascism by if you're incapable of self-reflection. Acknowledging our flaws is a prerequisite to fixing them. Anyone who can't see that is subject to the same biases they decry in their opponents.
Steffani Cameron
@cmdr_nova @lowqualityfacts wow! You’re a spectacular asshat who apparently doesn’t understand English.
He supports Biden. He thinks criticisms are warranted, and yet will vote Biden.
You, on the other hand, seem to support stupidity and crassness. I’ll block you. Have a great day.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Nah @cmdr_nova literally supports Trum. Their actions clearly would generate Trump supporters by attacking Biden supporters. This is a Trump supporter pretending not to be (or stupid to realize they are).
Still Andy Really
@lowqualityfacts But if you’re not for me, you must be against me because there’s only ever two sides to an argument…. 🙄
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You know who was also against things, Hitler! So if your against things you are hitler too!
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Was the racial purge the orange guy who has a history of disliking brown people? Or the senile guy who literally spent a decade of his career trying to fight to keep segregation alive because he didnt want his white child to go to school with other minorities in a "racial jungle" (his words)?
Like literally, im not trying to be a smart ass, when people refer to "The racist guy" that literally doesn't even begin to narrow it down out of those two.
David H. McCoy
It’s nerves. This election shouldn’t even be close.
My view: when teetering on the brink of a racial purge followed by a dictatorship( At least Lex Luthor was actually smart when he became President), what is accomplished by hectoring (even slightly)Biden?
The jokes won’t seem so funny when a boot is on your neck.
Louis Ingenthron
@freemo @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts If it really comes down to that, I'll take racist-30-years-ago guy over racist-today guy 🤷♂️
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I mean sure, except both are clearly racist today.. one just knows the racism gets him in trouble so he hides it and moved to exploitation over oppression. But their racism still shows through often enough to know its a manipulation and not a lack of racism.
The other guy is and always has been a moron so he just doesnt really hide it.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Sounds like something Hitler would say, it tracks.
Still Andy Really
@lowqualityfacts @freemo I’m Hitler and so’s my wife
mk
@freemo @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts
"Was the racial purge the orange guy who has a history of disliking brown people?"
like your source, please. i think you're lying.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Did you really just tell an actual minority they cant identify minorities and need more black friends?
Thats also not what I said, I said that "the racist" applies to both. They are quite easy to distinguish between them, while they are both racist they are racist in different ways that are easy to differentiate.
David H. McCoy
If you have to ask that question and don’t think there’s a difference, you maybe, need to interact with more Black people.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Sure, IEEE citation format:
[1] “Trump Management Company.” New York Urban League, Civil Rights Division, New York, Aug. 16, 1972
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Difference of opinion is fine. Try it without the racism next time.
David H. McCoy
I think what I said was pretty clear.
Regardless, this is going nowhere. I don’t agree with you. We’re too far apart on the subject, so there’s really no reason for me to engage.
Bye.
mk
@freemo @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts
what's this bullshit?
so you're just a propaganda-washed liar?
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You asked for a citation, this is a citation.
Specifically in the IEEE format, the one of the standard and most used formats for providing citations.
mk
@freemo @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts
you said this: "Was the racial purge the orange guy who has a history of disliking brown people?"
this is how i understood it: donald trump is a racist.
1. did you mean this?
2. do you want to defend this?
if yes, please provide evidence.
or shut the fuck up
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Yes he is a racist, that is exactly the words that I used.
I have as much interest in defending this that I do that the earth is round. That is to say, that should I sincerely need to debate this with someone it is almost garunteed to be a waste of my time.
if yes, please provide evidence.
Citing a literal source with proof of his racism, as I just did with my previous citation already did this.
iced depresso
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@icedquinn Did they actually say that? I mean, he is clearly senile, just wasnt aware of any courts saying that. Would be hilarious if they did.
iced depresso
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@icedquinn Hahahah, id love a link to that, it sounds perfectly idiotic just as I'd expect :)
iced depresso
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@icedquinn HAAAAAAAAAA Can't wait to dig into this gem. Thank you for the share.
mk
@freemo @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts
1. i was asking what you meant. and not if this quote matches, faggot.
2. you don't have to debate anything. i'm asking for proof of your statement.
i think that you're a brainwashed faggot that FEELS LIKE trump is a racist, because it got psyopped into your head so many times.
proof me wrong.
give me one example of trump beeing racist.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
No you werent.
Here is exactly what you asked for and said:
like [sic] your source, please. i think you’re lying.
You literally did not. What you asked for was me to provide you the evidence. I cited the source I used as evidence. Now maybe if you didnt act like a toddler having a tantrum I’d have followed up with you further, but your behavior has made it clear there would be no benefit in me engaging further.
Which you were provided, I cited one among many sources. Now its on you to review the source material and form an opinion, but seems your stuck in your little tantrum.
i think that you’re a brainwashed faggot that FEELS LIKE trump is a racist, because it got psyopped into your head so many times.
As I’ve stated many times before, both Trump and Biden are old family friends and have been over the family home many times for dinner and to stay the night. No one is brainwashing me, I knew the guy was a racist piece of shit long before anyone gave a fuck about either of them.
proof me wrong.
I did, the fact that you are clueless of that fact is more a you problem than a me problem.
give me one example of trump beeing racist.
Already cited a source that is literally a compilation of quite a few and the supporting evidence to back it all… and thats just the shit he had done in NYC is 1972 alone. Again the fact that you dont know how to read citation formats or how to get them is a you problem not a me problem. One that you could have easily solved by just asking rather than being an asshat.
mk
@freemo @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts
this: "[1] “Trump Management Company.” New York Urban League, Civil Rights Division, New York, Aug. 16, 1972"
is not proof of trump beeing a racist.
you did provide no evidence at all. your're just a disgusting leftist liar.
go suck a dick, faggot.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
this: “[1] “Trump Management Company.” New York Urban League, Civil Rights Division, New York, Aug. 16, 1972”
is not proof of trump beeing a racist.
Correct, it is not proof much like an address is not a home, and a phone number is not a phone and a URL is not a website. It is, however, explicitly instructions on how to access the proof should you want to review the proof itself.
you did provide no evidence at all. your’re just a disgusting leftist liar.
I provided you the standard details needed to access the evidence. Again I realize you may not be too bright (based on your offensive language) and all, but maybe you should consider that before being an asshat. As I said I would have been otherwise more than willing to explain to you how you are supposed to use citations to get access to the actual evidence it points to so you can read it.
mk
@freemo @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts
you think you're really smart, but you're just a pitiful little worm with no mind of its own who allows himself to be programmed by the media.
how about you'll go and get yourself the next booster.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
QED
Erik Haugen
@freemo @icedquinn He's a Trump appointee. (Remember Rod Rosenstein? It's not like presidents have absolute control over the DOJ. Which is good, I guess.)
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
If thats true he was remarkably well meaning in saying the guy is good intentioned and not lying... Based on how they spoke they certainly came across as giving biden the benefit of the doubt and not being hostile towards him.
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts So... he owned a company with real estate agents who had unconscious bias or were flagrant racists... and didn't do enough about it?
I think you're using the word "racist" loosely, wrt. both presidents. But the word is losing all meaning, so go ahead I guess.
Erik Haugen
@freemo @icedquinn "elderly man with a poor memory" isn't hostile?
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
That seems highly unlikely given that it was coordinated between seperate properties of his, and was reported and Trump took no action.
What evidence do you have that some conspiracy was in place to lie and manipulate Trump so he couldnt/wouldnt be aware of massive racism taking place unilaterally across all his properties? Honestly considering it was in the news at the time I cant see how he couldnt have known.
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts No conspiracy; just salesmen/etc being jerks, unwittingly or not.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
No, not in the least. I mean everyone can see he is clearly struggling with senility and has a failing memory. That seems to be the nicest possible way to phrase "senile" without saying it. Not to mention he claims he is well intentioned rather than just lying, which is the most favorable interpretation one could come up with honestly.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Ok so you just showed you didnt even bother reading the source material or have any understanding of the case... yet you seemed to drawn a conclusion anyway, thats troubling.
There was a whole system in place between upper management, coming directly fromt he top, to exclude colored people. They had a special paper they would attach to applications with coded messages (C means Colored in the upper right corner).
This coding would be used and coordinated across the entire organization to ensure blacks would be explicitly excluded.
How in the world can you go from that (and similar evidence) and explain that away as a few rogue racist agents, that makes no sense.
@mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Oh I see your point, and as a general statement its perfectly valid. But makes absolutely no sense in this case where a coordinated scheme among upper management with code words and all was employed specifically to exclude blacks. With "C" meaning "Colored" that when added to an application would signal to the upper management (trump) specifically to exclude someone for being black.
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts Or, I don't know – I thought that is what this lawsuit had been about. Did Trump do something obviously bad, or was he just captain of the ship when something happened? You see my point?
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts "upper management"? Do we think Trump knew about the codes before the lawsuit? (I'd be *extremely* surprised to find out he did, I suspect he had almost nothing to do with the day-to-day.)
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
It was leaked publicly before the lawsuit, the leaking is in the mountain of evidence. Yes he very clearly knew and was most likely based ont he evidence directly involved in instituting it. Even if you can argue that it was somehow some huge company wide conspiracy that everyone knew except him at the top, you'd have to demonstrate that somehow (as its not a reasonable assumption). Short of any such evidence it seems quite obvious not only did he know, he was a part of it. But yes he clearly knew as it came up in the civil rights documents from the urban league.
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts ooh, interesting – can you point me to that documentation that shows he clearly knew? thanks!
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Thats not what I said... I said that 1) it was a company wide system across multiple properties and reaching at every level with a formal system. This **implies** he knew it, ther eis no document proving he knew it. 2) in the source I cited it does touch on how this was already publicly leaked before the lawsuite as people were pretty pissed at Trump. So even if somehow you could excuse some grand conspiracy he was clueless to he clearly would have known about it befor ethe suite.
You are the one claiming there was a grand conspiracy across multiple properties and management that somehow Trump could have been unaware of despite the scale and pervasiveness... thats a huge leap so the burden of proof is on **you** to argue that case.
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts ah; "This **implies** he knew it" I disagree. I mean maybe, we'll probably never know. (No conspiracy; I personally never tell Sundar Pichai what I do, for example, and I can honestly tell you I am not a part of any conspiracy to keep him in the dark. Seriously: why all the conspiracy talk? It's weird.)
"publicly leaked before the lawsuite as people were pretty pissed at Trump" – I believe you but don't see the relevance to deciding e.g. whether we think Trump is the sort of person who would have initiated or approved this policy, for example. I suspect he had no idea, and when word of the lawsuit came up and/or leaked details about codes he circled the wagons (rather than apologize/etc as would have been ideal) and was more than happy to reach the settlement. Or, maybe it was his idea because he wanted only whites in his properties. Who knows.
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts "Thats not what I said..." I meant to ask for whatever this refers to: "he clearly knew as it came up in the civil rights documents from the urban league."
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You justneed the link to the urban league docs I cited?
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts if they show he clearly knew and allowed the policy to continue (i.e. before the point where he "circled the wagons" that I mentioned in my other post) I'd love to see it.
I'm sort of under the impression that most of the evidence that Trump is a racist is of a certain... level of quality: "he said something bad about someone" or "someone said he said something but he denies it, no witnesses" or "a guy working for him did something racist". You know, garbage. Similarly for Biden, he pushed for draconian drug policies for example, which had an (obvious to you and me) terrible outcome, but of course a lot of people pushed for those with the best of intentions.
So if I'm wrong I'd love to hear it...
Erik Haugen
@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts if they show he clearly knew and allowed the policy to continue (i.e. before the point where he "circled the wagons" that I mentioned in my other post) I'd love to see it.
I'm sort of under the impression that most of the evidence that Trump is a racist is kinda reaching: "he said something bad about someone" or "someone said he said something but he denies it, no witnesses" or "a guy working for him did something racist". You know, garbage. Similarly for Biden, he pushed for draconian drug policies for example, which had an (obvious to you and me) terrible outcome, but of course a lot of people pushed for those with the best of intentions.
So if I'm wrong I'd love to hear it...
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You are the one who has to show he clearly didnt know, as you are the one making the unreasonable assumption that a coordinated process at every level of the company was somehow kept from Trump despite everyone else knowing and participating in this actively as a coordinate scheme across multiple properties.
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