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   SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:41:37 JST SuperDicq

   Why is "fediverse instance domain seized by taliban" suddenly mainstream news?
   
   Didn't this happen like a month ago?

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     eris (eris@akko.disqordia.space)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:42:55 JST eris

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     @SuperDicq no, a month ago they seized the TLD and the instance posted notice that this would be likely. Now they pulled the domain.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:43:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @eris@akko.disqordia.space Ah that was just the "it is gonna happen soon", I already thought it happened a month ago lmao.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:45:02 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SuperDicq they were expecting it to happen but it actually happened finally.
     
     also it happened to somebody else years ago but nobody cared.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:46:24 JST SuperDicq

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     @Moon@shitposter.club Yeah buying a domain from a country like that just sounds like asking for trouble.
     
     I mean I own a bunch of .tokyo domains but I think that's a pretty stable place.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:46:54 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SuperDicq "the REAL problem is you can't switch domains" ok but you knew that.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:48:22 JST SuperDicq

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     @Moon@shitposter.club Switching domains should in theory be possible but no fediverse software is built for it so it will be a ton of manual database editing to even attempt something like that, but I think it can be done in theory?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:48:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @SuperDicq Nah, it was foreshadowed a month ago as a domain which couldn't be renewed in April, but it got shut down ~today.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:49:50 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SuperDicq no because your can't change your activitypub id which is (right now) based on your domain.
     
     loophole: if you know it's coming you can migrate every account. this is expensive and fraught with errors.
     
     loophole 2 (future): eventually ap ids may not be tied to the domain.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:51:53 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon @SuperDicq You absolutely can migrate domains, with the same way users would do instance migrations.
     (And it needs to be planned ahead)
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:51:54 JST SuperDicq

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     @Moon@shitposter.club That's exactly what I was thinking, you get new ap ids and you migrate all the accounts.
     
     I aware it's not possible with seamless federation.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:52:30 JST SuperDicq

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @Moon@shitposter.club Oh yeah if you don't plan it beforehand you're screwed. queer.af had a month to prepare tho.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:53:16 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq this is more complicated than migrating a user
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:55:17 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon @SuperDicq It's a for-loop, and AFAIK the known problems with user migrations are S2S ones like fediblock.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:56:43 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq people are going to expect to be able to do this when the domain is lost unexpectedly, and doing it in a for loop takes a ton of time.
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     Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 07:57:28 JST Token

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     @Moon @SuperDicq SJW had to do a domain change from neckbeard.xyz to bae.st, but it really messed up all the previous status posts prior the change. Possible but really shitty.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:00:12 JST SuperDicq

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     • Birdulon

     @birdulon@shpposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @Moon@shitposter.club Yeah peer to peer isn't everything either. Full peer to peer protocols have a ton of other unsolvable issues like discoverability, or like things not arriving when you're offline.

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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:00:14 JST Birdulon

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq @Moon Incidentally users being owned by an instance is one of my gripes with the Matrix homeserver model, I don't like migration processes, I want federation/decentralization to go harder into nomadic ideals.
     ofc, much harder problem than just trading profiles and posts that are hosted by known servers
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     Erin 💽✨ (erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:00:17 JST Erin 💽✨

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq @Moon main reason for not taking that approach is i'm tired, and last year I committed myself to the idea that I will run the place until the taliban killed it.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:00:42 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @birdulon @SuperDicq @Moon And true nomadic without even an identity server so far means that users would have to keep private keys on their machines. And no one does that properly, not even cryptonerds.
     At least I'd much rather get funny bits like servers getting shut-down by the talibans than a constant stream of users loosing access to their accounts or even getting hacked en-masse because of a cloud storage leak.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:01:15 JST Sexy Moon

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq @birdulon I feel like you been here long enough you don't think it's so bad if someone changes domains, even loses their post history.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:01:17 JST SuperDicq

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     @erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @Moon@shitposter.club To be fair you now got a funny semi viral story now.
     
     People who buy safe domain names don't get to tell a tale like that, totally worth it imo.

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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:02:06 JST 

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     @coin @SuperDicq @Moon Nekobit swapped domains on his instances almost a dozen times, he has a whole migration script for that. But it always involves dropping follows/followers.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:03:26 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon @SuperDicq @birdulon Right, because it feels like caring about a chatroom history to me, if it's important it'll end up in something like a blog, which by design are way more stable.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:04:19 JST SuperDicq

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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @Moon@shitposter.club @birdulon@shpposter.club I sometimes feel like I'm the only admin on the fediverse who actually cares about their data not getting lost and keeps backups and stuff?

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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:04:23 JST 

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     @coin @Moon @SuperDicq If I ever have to switch domains (which is a possibility considering donuts/identity.digital are a bunch of cucks), I'll probably do the same but keep the original DB intact, then automatically run migrations and follower imports for each user.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:04:59 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SuperDicq @lanodan @birdulon I keep offsite backups.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:06:17 JST SuperDicq

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @birdulon@shpposter.club Yeah ok good point. If my entire house burns down that might kill my fedi instances.
     
     Maybe I should keep a spare storage device in my car or something...

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:08:17 JST SuperDicq

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @birdulon@shpposter.club Also, uh, if I die my instances are lost too.
     
     Nobody but me knows my LUKS passphrase.

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     NeonPurpleStar :heart_bi: (neonpurplestar@outerheaven.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:09:11 JST NeonPurpleStar :heart_bi:

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     @SuperDicq @Moon @lanodan @birdulon that's what you think.....
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:11:01 JST SuperDicq

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     • Birdulon

     @Moon@shitposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @birdulon@shpposter.club Sometimes I think about designing a dead man's switch but then I think that I could publish everything accidentally by forgetting about it or the mechanism failing or something like that and I don't want it anymore.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:13:18 JST SuperDicq

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     @birdulon@shpposter.club @Moon@shitposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Oh yeah if you wipe your database and try using the same domain you have a big issue because all the instances you federated with previously expect a certain AP ID that no longer exists.

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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:13:23 JST Birdulon

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     @Moon @SuperDicq @lanodan amusingly one of my online friends had the opposite problem, he retained his domain but lost his server db, he tried starting a new instance with the same domain but it never federated correctly with servers that the old one had federated with, so he had to instead use a new subdomain for it.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:14:09 JST SuperDicq

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     @birdulon@shpposter.club @Moon@shitposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me You'll have to literally ask every single instance admin to delete your previous IDs manually (never gonna happen)

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:15:19 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @birdulon @SuperDicq @Moon I sort of did that accidentally.
     
     I had a friendica server on social.hacktivis.me around like 2016, server fell over, didn't care enough to restore, then years later I had the exact same hostname idea for my previous Pleroma instance (which had no backups because broke student).
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     eris (eris@akko.disqordia.space)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:16:35 JST eris

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     @critical @SuperDicq af
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     Critical (critical@blob.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:16:36 JST Critical

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     @eris @SuperDicq what's the TLD?
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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:19:26 JST Birdulon

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq @Moon Right yeah, people are going to have different views on how ephemeral the content should be. If they like the term "microblogging", they probably would like it to be a bit more permanent than say the text chat record of a TF2 lobby.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:20:00 JST SuperDicq

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     @birdulon@shpposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @Moon@shitposter.club I also keep periodic snapshots of all my chatlogs of like Telegram and stuff. I'm sure 99.9% I'll never need but just in case, it's just text, not much data.

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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:22:52 JST Birdulon

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     @lanodan @Moon @SuperDicq I know the go-to example for this is IRC chatrooms but I consider my decade+ of those logs to be a treasure trove of greppable technical discussions that keep being useful to this day.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:22:52 JST SuperDicq

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     @birdulon@shpposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @Moon@shitposter.club With things like that I also think it gets more important as it gets older.
     
     2 year old chatlogs are like who the fuck cares but if you have 30 year old chatlogs it's gonna be like "woah look how people lived back then" and shit.
     
     So you just gotta keep it long enough.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:25:53 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @birdulon @SuperDicq @Moon Yeah, it's why some of them are publicly logged or even archived (meetings over IRC specially do this, like all the gentoo council ones are).
     Yet we all know that IRC is quite ephemeral, and I think it's fine for like half of fedi instances to be, at least I don't think everything ever should be kept forever, but should at as closely as possible be kept as long as someone cares.
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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:26:41 JST Birdulon

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     @SuperDicq @Moon @lanodan It helps that text logs are really small and very searchable relative to other data that gets backed up. The old imageboard folders? I might go through them every now and then for a laugh but I almost never find anything I'm specifically looking for in them (my fault for poorly cataloging I know I know)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:28:35 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @birdulon @Moon @SuperDicq In a way, I love BitTorrent for this, but it also quite sucks in terms of discoverability so stuff sadly often ends up separated/duplicated.
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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:32:40 JST Birdulon

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq @Moon One of my favourite features of IRC logs is that they aren't inherently authoritative, so plausible deniability is a lot higher than e.g. discord log dumps.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:35:01 JST SuperDicq

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     @birdulon@shpposter.club @Moon@shitposter.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Oh yeah don't get me started on my collection of completely unsorted images. Sorting that will take forever.
     
     I mean I can go into my files and start pulling out random memes I saved 2008 no problem but if I ever wanna find a specific one that's never gonna happen because nothing is catalogued and not even the filenames are meaningful.
     
     This is actually one of the things where I think those fancy neural networks would be useful.

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     Erin 💽✨ (erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:36:24 JST Erin 💽✨

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     @SuperDicq @Moon @lanodan the queer.af database has gotten backed up every night, so despite never having had data loss issues we were protected against that. But i'm pretty sanguine about historical posts; maybe I'll rescue some of my more important ones from the export at some point.
     
     (I didn't bother backing up media; I figured the probability of an entire AWS region catching fire was low enough)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:37:57 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Erin 💽✨
     @erincandescent @SuperDicq @Moon For stuff like AWS I'd more worry about getting your account cancelled or hacked or some kind of human error, rather than an hardware failure.
     That said OVH Strasbourg demonstrated the possibility of a entire DC catching fire.
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     Erin 💽✨ (erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:40:47 JST Erin 💽✨

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     @lanodan @SuperDicq @Moon At least with files in S3 I believe a minimum of two DCs need to catch fire
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Feb-2024 08:42:03 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @erincandescent @Moon @SuperDicq At least half of the reason I make backups is because I know I can be an idiot and accidentally delete/overwrite my data. (Most stuff being textual means it's often done via having git repos mirrored)