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   Doc Impossible (impossible_phd@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 16:32:52 JST Doc Impossible

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     Annika Backstrom (annika@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 17:56:07 JST Annika Backstrom

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     • Ben

     @sangster @Impossible_PhD Sometimes criticism is necessary! But I am reconsidering my practice of using 🌴 for "conversational" comments. Are they taken in the intended spirit, or can they only come across as criticism? If PRs are an implicit request for "advice," how do we choose what to include and what to omit? Food for thought.

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     Ben (sangster@macaw.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 17:56:08 JST Ben

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     • Annika Backstrom

     @Impossible_PhD @annika I feel both called out and oddly freed by this. That’s right: I am (politely) dropping into a random PR offering unsolicited advice that someone will take down production if they do the thing that their teammate just approved.

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     Annika Backstrom (annika@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 20:51:07 JST Annika Backstrom

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     • Esmoustachu Ciredutemps

     @ciredutempsEsme We cannot plan for every contingency or educate against every edge case. We are perhaps conflating broad unsolicited "criticism" with the need to offer "critical" feedback at an opportune moment, often within our own communities.

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     Esmoustachu Ciredutemps (ciredutempsesme@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 20:51:08 JST Esmoustachu Ciredutemps

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     • Annika Backstrom
     • Ben

     @annika @sangster @Impossible_PhD
     Criticism is never necessary. It is tragic expression of unmet needs.

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     gentrifiedrose (gentrifiedrose@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 20:55:24 JST gentrifiedrose

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     @Impossible_PhD One of my former best friends used to ask if you wanted feedback. All of her feedback was always beef. So I learned to say no to her feedback. And this feedback always benefited her and never me 😂

     carl marks repeated this.
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     Doc Impossible (impossible_phd@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 20:55:24 JST Doc Impossible

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     • gentrifiedrose

     @gentrifiedrose Gosh golly, isn't it curious how unsolicited advice is basically never to the benefit of the person receiving it and *always* about the person giving it?

     Almost as if it's only function was establishing and calcifying power differences in a social situation, not really helping anyone.

     So very curious.

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     Annika Backstrom (annika@xoxo.zone)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 21:07:05 JST Annika Backstrom

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     • Esmoustachu Ciredutemps

     @ciredutempsEsme As Ben said earlier in the thread, we may notice someone about to deploy a code change that will have adverse effects on a system the original author is not familiar with. In that situation, we can't be bystanders: we have a responsibility to point out the flaws.

     As a social example, if I say something ableist or -phobic, I would expect someone (probably a trusted friend but maybe a bystander) to point it out.

     These cases are unsolicited advice and warranted criticism.

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     Esmoustachu Ciredutemps (ciredutempsesme@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 12-Feb-2024 21:07:06 JST Esmoustachu Ciredutemps

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     • Annika Backstrom

     @annika do you have any example of these needs of critical feedback at opportune moment ?