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    shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:49:31 JST shortstories shortstories
    • BowserNoodle ☦️
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    Useful & Rare = More Valuable

    Rare & not useful = Not Valuable

    Common & not useful = Not Valuable

    Blockchain money, paper money & electronic money are not valuable

    The only value in paper & electronic money is paying taxes as a token to avoid going to jail

    Without taxes paper & electronic money has no use and therefore nno valuee

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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:49:29 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @white_male @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW >Boy it sure would be nice if I could carry all my bags of rice to the market and still have room for my family and things I want to buy... maybe if I could somehow have a miniature piece of paper that says how much rice I have at home, and we could settle things behind the scenes?
      Cool we have currency again.
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      white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:49:30 JST white_male white_male
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @BowsacNoodle >Blockchain money, paper money & electronic money are not valuable
      Valuable for their usefulness.
      >The only value in paper & electronic money is paying taxes
      That's just retarded. Fiat usefullness is in abstracting cost from barter. How the fuck are you going to implement factories that need thousands of different material inputs?
      >Without taxes paper & electronic money has no use
      Abstracted value transfer. Also enables accumulation of wealth for large projects.
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      @white_male @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @BowsacNoodle

      You pay factory workers in Asia manufacturing electronic goids in bags of rice

      They can trade rice for electronic goods they want to purchase or they can eat it

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      white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:51:25 JST white_male white_male
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @BowsacNoodle Cool, cool, now exchange rice for chemicals and other stuff that's worth between 1000:1 and 100:1 in weight to rice. Do it for hundred items. Said factory would gather all the rice, rising it's price and effectively making rice the fiat currency, the new gold.
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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:51:25 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @white_male @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW Here's how your gold would look if it were Black or Chinese.
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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:53:38 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @white_male @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW >The only value in paper & electronic money is paying taxes as a token to avoid going to jail

      >Without taxes paper & electronic money has no use and therefore nno valuee
      But we do have taxes and threat of being put into a small box by the state if not using them. So, you're correct in the abstract but it's not practical because we live in a society (bottom text) with a government and rules and some of it sucks.
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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:59:31 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @white_male @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW The piece of paper isn't the value. it's the promise of value enforced by the state. you're trading in strength of the government (stability, current and future prospects / GDP, threat of imprisonment and ability to enforce said threats, etc.) when you use fiat. This is known. The question of whether or not that OUGHT TO be valid is not the same as whether or not IT IS valid today. You're missing the is/ought distinction IMO.
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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:59:32 JST shortstories shortstories
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      @white_male @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @BowsacNoodle

      I do not have a problem with gold because you can make tools to use out of gold

      If you take a gold coin and change the words and numbers printed on it but it has the same mass it is worth the same amount

      If you change the words and numbers printed on paper money but it has the same mass then it's value changes

      Does the ink or the paper make it valuable. Is it worth more if more ink is printed on the same paper to make the number bigger?

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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:07:05 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @white_male @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW >Social Security was a social contract
      Actually it was fiat. 😔
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      white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:07:06 JST white_male white_male
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @BowsacNoodle >Clearly social contracts are fictions
      I call it abstraction, but yeah. So what? It works even if you consider it ridiculous.
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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:07:06 JST shortstories shortstories
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      @white_male @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @BowsacNoodle

      Social Security was a social contract

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      white_male (white_male@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:07:07 JST white_male white_male
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @BowsacNoodle >Does the ink or the paper make it valuable. Is it worth more if more ink is printed on the same paper to make the number bigger?
      Yes, that's the social contract. The thing white people do, ingenious solutions for making life easier.
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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:07:07 JST shortstories shortstories
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      If there ever was a explicitly written social contract that would be the constituition

      People make up imaginary unwritten social contracts that society must follow whenever they want you to do something that violates the constituition

      Clearly social contracts are fictions people use to trick people into doing what they want without having explicit rules they are accountable for to give as a reward in exchange for the obedience they request

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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:07:14 JST shortstories shortstories
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      So I hope the government prints so much money

      That people conclude money has no value

      Then they stop using money & stop paying taxes

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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:07:39 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male I mean, yeah. That's the reason to have alternative currencies. Among other things. 🙃
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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:09:19 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male Maybe. Although sometimes they arise out of mutualism, pragmatism, or other positive means rather than despotism or other negative virtues.
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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:09:20 JST shortstories shortstories
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      @BowsacNoodle @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male

      Social contracts are fiat

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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:12:16 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male >Hence the value of money comes from the ability to trade it with the givernment in order to not go to jail
      Yes. I have been saying that since I joined this conversation, however that's only a supplemental to the convenience it creates. I have nothing against bag-o-grainism, conceptually, but I am not blind to its faults.
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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:12:17 JST shortstories shortstories
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      @BowsacNoodle @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male

      The value enforced by the State comes from taxes

      Because taxes can only be paid exclusively in money

      People need money to pay taxes in order for violence not to be done with them

      Hence the value of money comes from the ability to trade it with the givernment in order to not go to jail

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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:12:40 JST shortstories shortstories
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      Well I would suggest the best alternate currencies are things that would have value if no one decided to trade with you for them in the future

      This would include food
      Materials that people want to make tools out of
      Defensive Weapons
      & other Tools

      If no one would have a use for something other than trading it for things then it is not a good alternative currency

      That is why electronic currency is not a good alternative currency

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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:14:05 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male There is a time and place for specific things. When food is plentiful, it becomes less valuable. Or when there's too much, people used to make things from it to extract additional value (brewing spirits) from the reduced market price. At some point, possibly during our lifetime, food will be a currency again.
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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:14:47 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male >Social contracts used to justify government policies that I do not like are fiat
      based.
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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:14:48 JST shortstories shortstories
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      @BowsacNoodle @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male

      Social contracts used to justify government policies that I do not like are fiat

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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:17:05 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @Zeb @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male We all get it dude. I am saying that the transformation has happened, and that arguing whether it should or shouldn't have happened is not the same thing as arguing whether or not it happened (it did).
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      @BowsacNoodle @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male
      Guys, you gotta brush out on the history of fiat money. Originally it was a simple securities contract (certificate of deposit) of a determined amount of gold/silver.
      So even when using fiat money, what was being traded was gold stored in the vault that the holder could claim back at any branch of that bank.
      Fiat money as we know today is not money barely a currency, it's not even paper anymore. It's just a number on a ledger.

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      shortstories@merovingian.club's status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:20:01 JST shortstories shortstories
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      @Zeb @BowsacNoodle @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male

      But they issued out more weight in gold in the total value promised in paper money than there was actual gold in the bank which was fraud

      That is why I mentioned about simply changing the ink configuration on paper money to change it's trade value even though it was the same amount of paper

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      @Zeb @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male Tell me if you fellas know, what would happen if a larger foreign entity started hoarding your nation's currency if it was 1:1 backed by physical gold/silver? At what point would the effects be noticed? Suppose they used a note or something else impervious to forgery (humor me), but the guarantee was there and ledgered. What would happen to that nation and its stability? Would they or would they not create an alternative currency out of necessity? Could they actually print new notes if existing notes were lost?
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      @shortstories @BowsacNoodle @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male
      True, agree. The fraud was the problem and the bankers (specially central ones) should have been hanged on the spot.

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      BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:34:47 JST BowserNoodle ☦️ BowserNoodle ☦️
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      @Zeb @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male 'Goldtopia' or whatever we want to call the fictional country in this thought experiment, has issued notes and they're backed by e.g. gold. At some point, their notes become treated as a substitute for a commodity on the world market, do they not? Functionally, 'goldtopia' has a better version of GLD or any other gold based ETF, because theoretically they're not charging fees for this. How could they, after all?
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      @BowsacNoodle @shortstories @Tfmonkey @VeganMGTOW @white_male
      I didn't get it. Why would a country with a gold-backed currency hoard a debased foreign fiat currency?
      They would sell most of the foreign shit currencies since their currency is already stably anchored against gold.

      In conversation Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:34:48 JST permalink

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