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   Royce Williams (tychotithonus@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 12:28:21 JST Royce Williams

   Tell me you've never helped seniors with tech, without telling me you've never helped seniors with tech.

   And I don't just mean the person answering this question. I also mean whoever decided to remove this option.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 17:25:17 JST Aral Balkan

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     @tychotithonus It’s almost as if the factory farm doesn’t care about the welfare of the livestock or something.

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     Paul_IPv6 (paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 08:09:19 JST Paul_IPv6

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     @tychotithonus

     more and more as i try to help my mom deal with all the "new features" in her computer and phone that don't work for anyone with any sight, eye/hand, or skin chemistry issues, i'm back to this:

     'no developer of any device software/OS that human beings use is allowed to touch a single line of code until they have spent 6 months doing user support at an assisted care facility'

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 02-Feb-2024 08:09:19 JST feld

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     @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus it's a nice idea but until those people are a significant enough percent of the userbase it will always be an afterthought
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     Gorgeous na Shock! (indigoparadox@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 03:50:06 JST Gorgeous na Shock!

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     @alfredohno @tychotithonus They understood that she's using a trackball, and suggested she ditch it for one of the most hostile input devices going.

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     Hera (alfredohno@woem.space)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 03:50:07 JST Hera

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     @tychotithonus They also fundementally misunderstood the initial post. It;s a trackball “scrolling with two fingers” isn;t an option at all

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 03:51:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @tychotithonus At least trackballs with a scroll ring are a thing (I have one) but I could see some people not being able to use such a thing or having access to one, therefore the scrollbars should be kept.
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     Sylvhem (sylvhem@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 03:52:32 JST Sylvhem

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     @hedders @tychotithonus Yes please. I’m young, I have no motricity problem, and I still hate them.

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     Hedders (hedders@mas.to)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 03:52:33 JST Hedders

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     @tychotithonus I don't want to trivialise what is a fairly serious accessibility issue and a lack of regard for it bordering on ableism, but modern scrollbars (on all platforms) are just so bad. For the love of God can we please just have proper scrollbars back? It would solve so many problems.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 04:01:06 JST feld

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     • A very tired cake
     @cakeisnotalie @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus yeah, because the way product development works is that there's a step where you say "Should we make life hell for disabled people? Absolutely" :rolleyes:
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     A very tired cake (cakeisnotalie@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 04:01:09 JST A very tired cake

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     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus then set every psychopath who makes exactly that decision on fire. Simple.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 04:03:58 JST feld

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     • A very tired cake
     @cakeisnotalie @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus maybe we can get the government to hold a gun to developers heads and force them to develop software with accessibility features and pay the enormous cost of testing/QA them too
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     A very tired cake (cakeisnotalie@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 04:03:59 JST A very tired cake

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     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus yeah, you know what, it more or less is. Maybe work in a product org for a while, and try to be the only person who raises usability issues.

     Fuck right off.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 00:02:47 JST feld

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     @kdnyhan @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus it's always an easy problem to solve when you're not the one writing the checks to fund the R&D :rolleyes:
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     Kate Nyhan (kdnyhan@social.esmarconf.org)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 00:02:48 JST Kate Nyhan

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     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus
     "Those people" are a significant percent of the potential user base, and if they aren't a significant percent of the *actual* user base, gee, I wonder why

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:35:07 JST feld

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     • Aaron
     @hosford42 @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus if you can target 80% of the world you're killing it. That last 20% is going to be the most expensive and difficult marketshare to capture. It's simple economics.
     
     Now, if you add in the extra features for accessibility and charge a lot of money for it you may very well recoup your investment.
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     Aaron (hosford42@techhub.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:35:08 JST Aaron

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     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus

     "those people"

     A quick check with a search engine informs me that 13% of the population is disabled. The number of people who will ever be disabled at some point in their lives is higher, around 25%. Those people are these people.

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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:40:31 JST Sexy Moon

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     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus @hosford42 scrollbars were usable and disappearing scrollbars are unusable for a lot of people, it cost them more money to fuck over a bunch of people by changing it than just leave it alone
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:41:15 JST feld

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     @Moon @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus @hosford42 didn't cost any money to implement a boolean setting to show/hide them. Nobody had to invest time and QA into this.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:46:10 JST Sexy Moon

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     • Aaron
     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus @hosford42 usually I really dislike when a user preference is framed as an accessibility issue but in this case vanishing scrollbars seem to cause a lot of trouble with people.
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     Aaron (hosford42@techhub.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:49:36 JST Aaron

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     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus Money comes before people, is what I'm hearing. Especially if it's people who already get shit on by society.

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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:49:36 JST feld

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     @hosford42 @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus Welcome to capitalism. These are companies not charities.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:50:01 JST feld

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     @Moon @hosford42 @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus on the other hand, Apple has definitely lost tens of millions of dollars investing R&D into:
     
     - voiceover
     - guided access
     - the Braille input you can do on iPhones
     - wheelchair mode
     
     This is only possible because they're a trillion dollar company and charge a massive premium on all their devices. Blackberry wouldn't have been able to pull it off. Nor Palm. Neither could Nokia. Google is barely competitive here.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:51:29 JST Sexy Moon

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     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus @hosford42 That stuff does cost money but it doesn't remotely require being a trillion dollar company.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:52:27 JST feld

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     @Moon @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus @hosford42 then nobody should worry as an underdog will emerge and set the bar higher and everyone will have to compete to keep their users 🥲
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:54:29 JST Sexy Moon

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     @feld @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus @hosford42 I don't really care if a company won't serve a noisy minority with specific preferences but it's different if they're constrained in choice because of being crippled. Capitalism doesn't naturally serve this adequately and never has.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:59:21 JST feld

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     • Johnny Peligro
     @mischievoustomato @paul_ipv6 @tychotithonus @Moon @hosford42 yes! It's mind blowing and the reason why lots of blind people use iPhones and not Androids
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 03:59:22 JST Johnny Peligro

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     BRAILLE ON IHPONES?