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   Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 04:44:50 JST Sexy Moon

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   @genmaicha I am actually compelled by the "air pollution in the city" argument, you do have to give up some freedom to live in a tightly-packed community but banning things that at least superficially appear to hurt "self-sufficiency" are unpopular. things like banning collecting rainwater, especially when your state has super-wasteful pecan farms that literally are draining rivers that indians need the water from but you can't have a fucking barrel
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 05:02:47 JST SlicerDicer

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     @Moon @genmaicha You need to look into why they want to ban barrels it’s more insidious than you think.
     
     6mg/L target cannot be hit without claiming every bit of water possible to dilute the effluent. This is the less expensive alternative. That is why they are so violent about it. They must have their water.
     
     Instead of dealing with the problem and removing it as it’s too costly they just dilute it.
     
     https://echo.epa.gov/help/loading-tool/hypoxia-task-force-search-help/about-the-nutrient-model
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 05:02:47 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SlicerDicer @genmaicha I don't understand can you dumb it down for me, why won't they let me have a barrel?
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 05:06:53 JST SlicerDicer

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     @Moon @genmaicha Because if you take 50 gallons and every resident does at what interval let’s say weekly?
     
     That’s 22 million gallons a week. With this document that means 1/7th the water they need is then taken from the system. That’s a 14% increase. So if they are at 6mg/L for epa standard that means they are nearly 1mg/L over the limit for one single barrel per house.
     
     https://fapg.org/images/downloads/Fieldtrips/fapg_segs_virginia_key_diw_guidebook_71.pdf
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 05:16:14 JST SlicerDicer

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     @genmaicha @Moon
     
     One other side note, the problems exist and well since they collect all available sources of water. That they are handling just say 17 million gallons a day. Per their document.
     
     If they get slightly over their rated capacity. They overflow, now to be real they handle like 150 million gallons a day for greater miami area so that is a big difference. However stack the population things get even more crazy.
     
     This was all to stop outfall pipes that existed. The injection anyway. I can go into this into great detail of how this is a bad idea. How in fact since they started doing it we have been feeling earthquakes in the keys as they are doing it here. I have felt 5 since august.
     
     None of this I stress is conspiracy its our lack of capacity to handle our excrement.
     
     https://www.projectbaselinegulfstream.com/hollywood-sewage-outfall/
     
     6 of 7 still exist.
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     @Moon @genmaicha I should stress the costs are outlined in this document to do AWT properly “Advanced Wastewater Treatment” Miami is too broke to do so.
     
     This will come down to what’s the affordable option as well as its public health at risk. So we must do what we must do. That means banning the concentration of feces and urine from being too high.
     
     I know it’s a shitty way to do it but yeah. The alternative is massive spending to do it right. That down here just to handle lower keys alone that’s 10,000 of the 80,000 people? Is 4 times Monroe county’s budget.
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 05:25:02 JST SlicerDicer

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     @genmaicha @Moon https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article276128836.html
     
     https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article275737831.html
     
     Now consider this plant cost a billion the price for proper treatment is 4 billion. However they spec it under capacity. Monroe county has 780 some million a year. So the cost would be nuts. Assuming they spec it right it could run north of 8 billion to 10 not clear.
     
     These are the problems that we will face in the future and the prime candidate of what’s killing the oceans.
     
     https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/looe-key-study.php
     
     We can scream global warming all day long but it won’t stop the global shitting.
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 05:25:49 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SlicerDicer @genmaicha what if not every single person has a rain barrel? I wonder how many people want barrels.
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     SlicerDicer (slicerdicer@bikeshed.party)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 05:30:51 JST SlicerDicer

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     @Moon @genmaicha I’m not clear on that, I do know that there is a very serious reason to not allow it. How would you authorize the barrels? Would we have rain restrictions based on drought level to stop the collection? What would that do to the system reducing water? Would there be issues with fatburgs accumulation at greater speed? These are all complicated questions.
     
     The real problem is we don’t want to deal with our septic systems in any real way. So we have to bandaid it so it meets spec. But that does not stop the problem it just masks it till we realize we made a mistake.
     
     These mistakes are evident in New Jersey. exceeding 10mg/L has the consequence of kidney damage and a myriad of other health problems. So we gotta deal with this one way or another. Maybe when we do that rain collection can come back.
     
     https://www.nj.gov/dep/dwq/pdf/nitrates.pdf
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     Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jan-2024 05:30:55 JST Sexy Moon

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     @SlicerDicer @genmaicha u convinced me