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   carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Thursday, 11-Jan-2024 22:57:33 JST carl marks

   Say it with me:

   "IQ IS JUNK SCIENCE INVENTED BY WHITE SUPREMACIST EUGENICISTS TO JUSTIFY THEIR IDEOLOGY"

   It is not an "inconvenient truth". It is not an otherwise robust instrument that is misused by some people with an agenda. It is not something that's pretty accurate but that is complicated by societal factors.

   It's bullshit. Bupkis. Bunk.

   As Johnathan Frakes says in that one show, "We made this one up. It's a total fabrication. It's pure fiction. It's a made up tale. This one was invented by a writer. It's an urban legend... that never happened."

   Don't forget. Remind yourself if you have to.

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 01:31:52 JST carl marks

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     • OddOpinions5

     @failedLyndonLaRouchite I understand the value in questioning information that is presented to you and in doing your own research, but I also want to point out that there is something you should learn from the fact that your knee-jerk reaction to my post was to not believe a Black person when they were speaking about white supremacy. Consider this a call-in, and I invite you to explore that.

     Now, I have a few points.

     One, it is true that Binet himself did not believe that his scale could be used to measure a permanent, in-born quality. However, his research was inspired by those who did believe intelligence was hereditary, which is in fact eugenicist. It would be very silly to imagine that this had no impact on his work, especially given the sociopolitical environment that he lived in.

     Two, not to quibble over semantics, but I'm not only talking about Binet. When I say IQ, I'm not just speaking about the Binet-Simon scale, especially given what I mentioned about his beliefs about the scale. I am speaking about the idea that there exists such a thing as a number/scale/instrument that can meaningfully measure how intelligent someone is capable of being.

     Three, I'm going to need you to zoom out some. I'm going to need you to question the idea of intelligence more broadly, what fundamental premises such an idea is based on. I'll give you a hint: they are ableist, and racist, and imperialist, and many other things besides.

     And modern iterations of academic disciplines such as history and psychology, AKA the vehicles by which we can learn about someone like Binet and his research, are not free of those biases either. They are not neutral, and we have hard evidence of the sanitizing process that Western academic disciplines use to convince us to continue to idolize the bigots and monsters who were foundational in those fields. That must be kept in mind when doing research on them.

     Four and lastly, let's not forget that IQ is still used today, with such scales as WAIS and WISC that are given to children and adults. I'm here to tell you that disciplines like psychology, medicine, and education were not and are not innocents in all this. What does that mean for us in the present?

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     OddOpinions5 (failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 01:31:53 JST OddOpinions5

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     @tillshadeisgone

     I tried google to see if Binet was a white supremicist person
     I was unable to find a clear, direct answer, but I did see links claiming his test was reasonable and that IQ was then corrupted by American reacists

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 03:15:56 JST carl marks

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     We've got a few people who are responding to this post defending the usage of IQ, questioning that IQ is still used, assuming I don't know what IQ means, etc. I have neither the time nor the inclination to reply to each of these people and try to teach/prove anything to them, so I will simply say this.

     I am trained in psychology and education at the master's level so I am fully aware of what it is, where it came from, how it works, etc. Moreover, I have had modern iterations of intelligence scales administered to me. Finally, I have worked in schools for 11 years in special education & counseling so I am very familiar with how these things function in the real world.

     Psychology, education, medicine, etc are all irrevocably tainted by their participation in white supremacy, capitalism, ableism, and so on. These disciplines are not neutral or objective and their abuse of marginalized groups has never stopped. The tools, metrics, labels, definitions, categories, and all other outgrowths of these twisted and corrupted areas of study are therefore also sites of oppression. IQ is one of the worst of these.

     Do your own research on scientific racism, yes. But also just know that our research tools are not exempt from those glaring flaws either. If you are going to even come close to finding something remotely resembling the truth, you have got to engage with these things critically. You have got to have the courage to reject the incorrect and violent assumptions underpinning these various fields. You have got to be ruthless with yourself also, for everything that you have been taught has the seeds of oppression within it.

     None of what I said was wrong. IQ is fake. It's white supremacist propaganda. Get your shit together and THINK FOR YOURSELF

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 03:32:28 JST carl marks

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     My last word on the subject will be this: I will never, ever be surprised to see a white person defending IQ. It was literally made to enshrine their superiority, why would they let that go? Of course they think it's useful, IT IS! It helps keep them on top.

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 04:51:10 JST carl marks

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     • ecsd

     @ecsd 🖕🏽

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     ecsd (ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 04:51:11 JST ecsd

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     @tillshadeisgone

     IQ measures /something/ and is not meaningless within a confined population , e.g. the original control group. Just because it is abused doesn't mean it can't be used, if one remains conscious of its limitations.

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 06:23:11 JST carl marks

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     • Matthew

     @matty this person (who I have already blocked) is a former member of Mensa. This told me all I needed to know tbh 🤣

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     Matthew (matty@blahaj.zone)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 06:23:12 JST Matthew

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     • ecsd

     @ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org My god, just take a hint their not interested in you defending this white supremacist propaganda.
     @tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life

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     ecsd (ecsd@commons.whatiwanttoknow.org)'s status on Friday, 12-Jan-2024 06:23:14 JST ecsd

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     @tillshadeisgone

     Is that a bird? For a moment I confused it with a thumbs-up.

     You run the test on a bunch of white people with shared cultural history and get a /distribution/. Are people with IQ 70 as capable as people with IQ 130? No. But I'm required to compare individuals from the same population as created the distribution to get a valid result.

     Does IQ measure anything? Well Yes It Does. What it does and doesn't do well is discussed in however many books, but saying "it's /only/ inaccurate" is just as silly as saying that average human height is not in fact normally distributed, or arguing that the normal curve shouldn't be used to discuss height "because it's not reliable". Treating it as /deterministic/ is a mistake, but it IS "advisory".

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 01:14:53 JST carl marks

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     • Urzl

     @gooba42 If they're using IQ as an entry requirement, your local gifted education system is discriminating against any Black kids in the system. This makes sense, because most gifted programs were created in response to desegregation in education in order to keep white kids in separate classes from Black kids.

     Using IQ to support students with ADHD or autism is also discriminatory against Black children. When you say that these tools are used to help people, I would say, "used to help whom? And for what reason?"

     If you're confused as to why, I recommend you go read my thread again.

     We have other tools we can use to identify disability.

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     Urzl (gooba42@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 15-Feb-2024 01:14:54 JST Urzl

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     @tillshadeisgone Do we have more accurate and useful replacements?

     Our local gifted education program uses IQ in part as an entry requirement and I know it was also part of some of the diagnostics trying to get my kids proper support for ADHD and potential ASD.

     If DSM-V says X, I'm not qualified to refute it, but I also don't know what alternatives we have in the cases where it's genuinely used to try to help people.