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NeonSnake (neonsnake@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:06 JST NeonSnake
@johnbrowntypebeats
FWIW - in the UK, "libertarianism "now has largely the same meaning as it does in the US.
*VERY ROUGHLY*, up until maybe 2005 (? maybe earlier?) I would have been able to say (in the UK) that I was a libertarian, and it be understood that I was anti-government in the sense that I hated their interference with people's personal lives:
Some examples, but not limited to, Clause 28 (the anti-LGBT laws) or the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (the "repetitive beats" law)
It *wouldn't* have implied that I was against refugees, the NHS, unemployment benefits, or any of the stuff that it implies now.
I gave up on calling myself a libertarian some time ago, so as not to confuse people on my principles, and just went with anarchist, even though that in itself causes some issues. Frankly, I'd prefer people think I'm putting bricks through Starbucks' windows than think that I'm against disability benefits.
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  HeavenlyPossum (heavenlypossum@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:33:58 JST HeavenlyPossum
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  Were you raised by boomers too or what
  
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  violetmadder (violetmadder@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:33:59 JST violetmadder
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  It's even harder if you were raised by people who never admit when they're wrong, and never saw many healthy examples or role models for the behavior.
  
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  violetmadder (violetmadder@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:00 JST violetmadder
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  I think a lot of people never learn HOW to learn or gracefully acknowledge shortcomings or growth in their own understanding. If they DO absorb something or change their tune, it won't show up until later on as if it was all their own idea and had nothing to do with the actual discussion that taught them something new or changed their mind.
  
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  Glitzersachen.de (glitzersachen@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:00 JST Glitzersachen.de
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  "ot of people never learn HOW to learn or gracefully acknowledge shortcomings or growth in their own understanding" => That is, of course difficult, if you hit the ground already as the cool, ultimate omega-expert on a topic. Which _is_ something the medium of youtube-clips selects for.
  
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  NeonSnake (neonsnake@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:01 JST NeonSnake
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  @HeavenlyPossum @passenger @whatzaname @FrenchPanda @magitweeter @RD4Anarchy @ThatWeltschmerz @gnutelephony @violetmadder @johnbrowntypebeats @AdrianRiskin @ciggysmokebringer @glitzersachen that's pretty much how I was feeling the other day, about that Alex chap, that he'd been backed into a corner. A shame.
  (I'd actually forgotten his whole "strong man/weak man" schtick until you reminded me, mind)
  
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  NeonSnake (neonsnake@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:03 JST NeonSnake
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  How to utterly misunderstand the substance of a book: a masterclass
  
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  HeavenlyPossum (heavenlypossum@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:03 JST HeavenlyPossum
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  It was really disappointing, and I think he felt like he had backed himself into a corner that he had to defend or lose face. He insisted that every single example of either social flexibility (ie seasonal variation of social forms) or counterintuitive social forms (ie hierarchical state-like foragers or egalitarian farmers) was actually the exclusive, mechanical product of specific material conditions.
  
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  HeavenlyPossum (heavenlypossum@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:04 JST HeavenlyPossum
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  I had a big fight with this guy on twitter because I told him his video on Graeber and Wengrow’s Dawn of Everything misportrayed their argument as being purely idealist. He ended up yelling at me about how little I understood and how much he understood and how society is purely downstream of materialist systems (in a real Just So sort of way). Very unpleasant!
  
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  violetmadder (violetmadder@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:05 JST violetmadder
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  It was a big revelation to me around college age when I realized most people having big political arguments are using different mental dictionaries for their political terms.
  
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  Fabio G. (magitweeter@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:05 JST Fabio G.
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  Worbs!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3valcuAqMA
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  John Brown Type Beats (johnbrowntypebeats@kolektiva.social)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:34:06 JST John Brown Type Beats
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  Yeah i've heard that things have shifted more recently, it's a shame how the U.S. perverts ideas and language the world over.
  I find, as you mentioned, that almost any political term can be misunderstood in the U.S. due to the longstanding campaign against clarity and truth.
  Anarchist results in as much confusion here as libertarian. So that's why i prefer to give the full range of meanings to shed a little light.
  
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