It's just stuff that doesn't interact with electromagnetism, that's it.
That one trait makes it the most fundamentally useless thing in the whole universe because we kind of rely on electromagnetism to touch things and make them useful.
@Giga_Vril_Breaker@Forgetful_Gynn@BobsonDugnuttHB I always thought "dark matter" was a way of solving for missing matter that should exist based upon other calculations. To say "oh it's undetectable, trust me bro" seems like a copout when it could just be other forces are at work that we are having trouble modeling. I'm ignorant enough of this to admit I have no clue though.
@Forgetful_Gynn@BobsonDugnuttHB I don't understand. Does dark matter imply the existence of dark electricity or is it just impermeable, mostly invisible, uninteractable stuff?
@Forgetful_Gynn@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB If true, that weirds me out in a big way and makes new questions. as I understand it, quantum Physics is its own thing with particles seemingly operating outside of Newtonian physics. Is there possibly the macro equivalent where Newtonian physics stops being the only forces at play? Possibly a superforce where enough [e.g. neutrons] collect and there becomes a new effect from their collective existence in an area of space?
@Forgetful_Gynn@BowsacNoodle@BobsonDugnuttHB Basically no matter how many breakthroughs happen because of daydreaming geniuses, academia will forever revert to smelly fart-huffers solely entertaining a theory their pals think is cool, until an outsider fucks them up.
@Forgetful_Gynn@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB We have the strong force, electromagnetic force, weak force, and gravity. Gravity and EM are pervasive but the latter is inconsequential until there's enough substance, right? What it there's another force and we just don't realize it because, like gravity, it's hard to measure without enough mass. I'm probably showing my ignorance on this since it's been decades since I took physics, but I'm just confused as to the certainty and relativity always seemed lame.
@BowsacNoodle@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB afaik it's not really operating "outside" of newtonian mechanics, it's just that the typical forces at that scale are so weak that they don't have much to do. Sort of like how gravity is the weakest of the four forces but you look at how much it shapes planets and stars and galaxies and it's hard to believe.
It's probably not a superforce. Dark matter only interacts via the weak nuclear force and gravity. Those are about as far from "super" as you can get.
@BowsacNoodle@Forgetful_Gynn@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB Effects of gravity and relativity in the sense of how it's effected by large mass are observed and understood. GPS satellites have time correction mechanisms for the minuscule differences of how fast time flows on ground stations vs in the orbit. Unless it's a big fat lie.
@white_male@BowsacNoodle@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB Also, due to relativistic effects, gold is not silvery like most other metals. If you were to do a solid state calculation on gold without including relativistic effects you would predict it to be silvery. Including relativistic effects you get a reasonably good agreement with reality.
@BowsacNoodle@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB It's certainly possible, but as you say, it will be damn difficult to experimentally verify. I personally like the prospects of Information Physics and Ontotechnology.
@white_male@BowsacNoodle@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB yeah it counts for most heavy elements. Darwin term iirc. The faster the electrons move, the more their mass increases. iirc it causes the 6s orbital to contract and become more stable, which is also why it doesn't react to much chemically.
@Forgetful_Gynn@white_male@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB >electron speed increases with mass Is this that a consequence of nucleus mass and maintaining a synchronous orbit as electron shell changes? Damn I need to refresh on physics. I used to tutor people in this.
@BowsacNoodle@white_male@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB Oh there's too much patent money at stake to ever give up on it. But even if it can be done with some super fancy big hoop, the price will make it not exactly practical for science fiction stuff.
@Forgetful_Gynn@white_male@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB Some lab probably has half a gram of some stable element with atomic weight 1,028 just sitting there in a vacuum, floating via some insane electromagnets, afraid to do anything with it because calculations show it might be a sci-fi doomsday scenario.
@white_male@Forgetful_Gynn@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB Isnt absolute zero theorized to be the point where the electrons say "to hell with it" and just join up with the protons in their nucleus? Is that even possible or would that be a huge reaction?
@BowsacNoodle@white_male@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB The innermost electrons experience strong electrostatic attraction from the positively charged nucleus. Due to this attraction, the electrons are accelerated and move at velocities close to the speed of light. This high speed leads to the relativistic contraction of the electron cloud.
@BowsacNoodle@white_male@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB It might be possible but it's impossible to measure absolute zero because you'd have to poke the atom in some way and said poking will increase its energy above absolute zero lol.
@BowsacNoodle@white_male@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB Many labs have such stuff, but they last like a trillionth of a second before falling apart. Neutronium, outside of the immense gravity of a neutron star, would have a similar half-life.
@white_male@BowsacNoodle@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB I don't think so, certainly not in any really practical way. anything you'd try to do with something that has zero atomic motion will jostle it and give it back atomic motion.
@Forgetful_Gynn@white_male@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB I think his point is the potential energy can't hit zero due to gravity and the true inability to have negative energy to overcome it (assuming it even matters or would be zero sum).
@Forgetful_Gynn@white_male@Giga_Vril_Breaker@BobsonDugnuttHB I had forgotten about this one. This was like 2008, right? I can't even believe this type of stupidity and race baiting has normalized so much since then. I remember laughing at how insane this was back then!