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   accretionist (accretionist@techhub.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 22:16:51 JST accretionist

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   @matthewtoad43 @sy @gerrymcgovern @PaulWermer @deightonrobbie

   speaking as an American, everything you say fits Europe perfectly. But in the USA we've built every aspect of our society on the automobile, and so then ev does become the band aid solution. While we pursue civic policies that encourage more dense living so we can also exist happily without a need for a car. then we can jettison autos entirely. It's just that that goal is further out, for the usa at least

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     Paul Wermer (paulwermer@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 22:16:47 JST Paul Wermer

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     @accretionist @sy @matthewtoad43 @gerrymcgovern @deightonrobbie I've been stunned to see how much one can carry on a bicycle with trailer, and e-bikes make that viable for all ages and terrains (and the range is pretty impressive as well). In younger days I bicycle commuted and shopped via bicycle (in Cncinnati with it's hills, and in a Chicago winter) but I had too many friends and coworkers killed or injured to keep it up and 1980s/early 1990s Bay Area was not bicycle friendly - transit (BART, Caltrain) did not welcome bicycles so structural barriers simplified my quitting.

     THe change in San Francisco with Slow Streets and the JFK Promenade in Golden Gate Park opened my eyes to the possibilities that exist now.

     Im hoping to spend some time in rural Maine in the future - and wish the roadways permit cycling as an alternative. But that needs some advocacy. Rural road = low traffic density =high speeds and bored drivers - so some dedicated lanes are needed. DOable, but needs local demand

     Bø!rge repeated this.
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     @PaulWermer @sy @matthewtoad43 @gerrymcgovern @deightonrobbie

     "you can't bike in winter"

     behold, the biking winter paradise of Oulu, Finland, and how they do it (TLDW: plowed bikepaths)

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

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     @sy @matthewtoad43 @gerrymcgovern @PaulWermer @deightonrobbie i live in rural usa. you don't have to tell me about the hell of behemoth exhaust belching Ford 150s. but having just come back from europe last month, and seeing all the tiny cars, i see the future

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     Sy Taffel (sy@mastodon.nz)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 22:16:50 JST Sy Taffel

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     @accretionist @matthewtoad43 @gerrymcgovern @PaulWermer @deightonrobbie For me the band aid is some EVs (the smaller the better) alongside urgently investing in infrastructure projects for active and electric public transport.

     I'm in Aotearoa-New Zealand. Sparsely populated, sky high car ownership rates, most cars are SUVs, and public transport is awful. Probably much closer to the US than London (where I grew up). We have a lot of work to do!