@p Sadly before my time but I love seeing them in old comics and magazines. These ads are like another layer of entertainment and aren't irritating and infuriating like current ads.
@eidolon I'm sure somewhere there's an archive of Gamefan scans. Went under some time around 2000, but was basically the only magazine worth reading until then.
@eidolon I don't know, people seem hyper-sincere about trivial shit nowadays. 80s, people were really optimistic, but the 90s were, like, I mean look at the big albums that were selling, right, "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness", "Nevermind". Marilyn Manson was big. You listen to the lyrics of "Zero" or "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" and it sounds like a parody almost. Or "The Beautiful People". I think it reads like optimism, but there was a strong sense of self-determination.
I was talkin' with the lady a while back and she asked me to get the Fight Club torrent and launched into this diatribe about how the big movies at the end of the 90s, "Fight Club", "The Matrix", were about how everyone was in a shitty constructed fake world. The world didn't get any realer but the cult of authenticity went away.
@p It's probably true that it felt shitty and constructed at the time, I guess with how quickly globalisation was happening then compared to prior decades and maybe that kinda hypercharged things. Little did they know how good they had it.
@mint@eidolon Game magazines were purchased by gamers (and there wasn't Twitter to rally a pitchfork-and-torch mob) and subcultures were basically the last bastion. Because Hillary Clinton and Joe Liebermann and Janet Reno and Jack Thompson and the Christian Coalition were all trying to ban video games, it was already kind of an edgy hobby so there wasn't a lot of respectability to lose. John Romero pays money to write in magazines that he is gonna prisonn-rape gamers.
Apathy was our last defense against this shit and we lost our apathy because the caremad brigade never sleeps.
There's this line in The Matrix where Agent Smith tells Neo, that the matrix simulated the late 90s because the late 90s were the height of human society. People in the theater chuckled.
On the other hand, that was basically the boomers laying the foundation for the last 25 years of batshit lunacy that has dominated politics and geopolitics across the earth and all this shit turned the millennials into paranoid nutjobs (...hi) and I don't even know what is happening with the zoomers but it's like they are all normcore trad-nazbol power-bottoms and I DO NOT KNOW WHAT "HONMAXXING" MEANS
@Zerglingman@eidolon@mint If we're retvrning, I'd like to at least go back to the 80s, before the boomers ran out of drugs and then decided to make it illegal for anyone else to do drugs. It was not weird for a janitor to own a house in the 80s, I mean, think about that.
@p not all the zoomers are like that (myself, @cassidyclown , etc). Most of the people I know that are my age are basically just normal people and don't care for identity politics shit. Just trying to live a 'normal life' i.e. the one's our parents (Gen X) promised us if we studied hard but struggling to because of financial cuckery.
1. Fuck everything up completely 2. Make sure people blame the scapegoat of your choosing 3. Make sure no one in polite society is allowed to directly blame that scapegoat 4. People chase each other around, either participating in or hiding from the witch-hunt for people that hate the scapegoat 5. No one is blaming you because they are either frustrated that they're not allowed to blame the scapegoat or they are looking for imaginary Nazis 6. Day of the pillow never wakeup.mp4
Ah, it was a "I don't get kids these days" joke. Now that I am old enough to not get kids these days, maybe it doesn't read as a joke.
> the one's our parents (Gen X) promised us
Ha, good luck with that, we're about to kick off WW3. I just hope after the bombs fall and we all become radioactive mutants that I get super powers instead of just losing my hair and teeth.
After he tried to eat his wife's finger on stage, you'd think it'd be obvious to everyone that we're talking not about Biden's foreign policy but Blinken, Austin, Nuland, etc.
@amerika@eidolon This is absurd. Individualistic ideologies believe in people to manage their own affairs; the hubris of micromanaged collectivism has created one burnt souffle after another.
> Individualistic ideologies tend to be apocalyptic because they are narcissistic like serial killers.
@p@amerika@cassidyclown@eidolon no ones blaming trump for taking advantage of tired ppl, thats what populism about, grifting failures in need of scapegoat
If you can reproduce on your own, please do not share any details.
But the point is that if humans in groups made bad decisions, groups would get themselves killed.
> I ascribe to democracy things democracy has done. Whether the CIA also participated or not is probably not relevant.
Only if the CIA is a consequence of democracy, but the KGB exists. It's the consequence of paying taxes to an unaccountable ruling class. Eliminating all taxes solves all of our problems. :ancapchanlol:
Capitalism is great as an economic system. I consider all other alternatives to be fail.
I am skeptical of "self-organizing systems" since they tend toward the lowest common denominator.
Europe rose under kings, caste, and culture; it fell under self-organizing systems, which eventually become tyrannical because they are conjectural and therefore unstable.
You can make a religion out of anything, including anarchy, which has always been a fiction.
> I disagree; individualism is an anti-realistic pathology.
I have something for this but it is long.
> The good farmers tend to be realists who act within reasonable parameters.
Even good farmers cut your balls off so that you taste better, they turn your offspring into veal, and they cut your throat and your friends' throats and shove you all onto a truck to be eaten by people you have never met. I don't view this as an acceptable state of affairs: cattle and sheep were bred for this, I was not. So if it's all the same to you, I don't want to get farmed, and I don't plan to farm anyone else. As long as people can opt-out,
> I am skeptical of "self-organizing systems" since they tend toward the lowest common denominator.
There is a nice butcher and there is a Sysco truck and you can go to either. The existence of the Sysco truck does not prevent you from going to the butcher.
> it fell under self-organizing systems,
No, you look at the French Revolution. They're executing chemists. :lavoisier: Evidently, kings can fuck up so badly that peasants don't know what to do with themselves after getting rid of a shitty one.
This is why I keep saying I don't care what Europe did; I don't view "the West" as a monoculture because it is not. I can go read some diatribe about "free Englishman" from three hundred years ago and I can understand the sensibilities of the author and I try to read Voltaire and he reads like someone I'd like to punch in the face, even if he's saying things that I agree with on the balance. You keep making this mistake and ignoring that it is a mistake: the Scandanavians, the Continentals, the Mediterraneans, Eastern Europeans, these are all very different people with very different cultures. There is no unified European culture. Russian and Chinese foreign policy leaders treat the US, UK, Canada, etc., as effectively a unified place. Apparently American newscasters don't understand this and they act like they have no idea what's going on when Putin threatens the "Anglo-Saxons", or Xinhua makes a reference to the Opium Wars when discussing the US.
> anarchy, which has always been a fiction.
The Reddit version of it is. The Reddit version of anything is a fiction, so I will again decline to defend the Reddit version.
@amerika@eidolon@laurel I think it's a catastrophe. I can see maybe two good things: optimistic leadership instead of self-flagellation, and sensible dealings with the Soviets. (I think it harms the national character for a leader to stand on a stage and shit all over the country that elected him.)
> Individual humans make reproductive decisions, not the group.
Historically, no. Until very recently, you had to spend a lot of time making sure the rest of the lady's family was cool with you before you could plausibly get a wedding.
> Everyone votes for who you breed with, like reality TV.
At least nominally, everyone present at your wedding gets a veto.
> CIA? LOL.
This takes a minute. All of the shit I have to say about this is a series of crazy tinfoil conspiracies that are obviously the ramblings of a mad man and my citations are fringe websites like cia.gov and Wikipedia. You could have a look at Project Mockingbird and then list a handful of reasons for the timing of the Family Jewels leak and then explain why Dulles hired Bernays to work at the CIA.
Or you could "lol" at the concept and dismiss it out of hand. On a completely unrelated note, did you know the CIA coined the phrase "conspiracy theory"?
@p@eidolon@amerika > I disagree; individualism is an anti-realistic pathology.
Most people I've heard making this statement start from the false hypothesis that individualism leads to atomicism which is entirely false. Since individuals are lead by human action ( the rational maximization of own interests and preferences ), it makes sense for individuals to socially cooperate among them to achieve their personal goals i.e. I trade something you need for something I need , even if that means trading time and effort in social collaboration with other individuals who have the same goals. The problem with collectivists is that they have a "short dick complex" and are usually resentful and envious of other people who did achieve what they only wished to achieve, therefore they see the demand of other people immolating and sacrificing themselves for the "greater good" as the only means for them to achieve their goals. In other words the collectivists ideology goes like this "since I have a short dick, and I can not compete with the one that have big dicks, we the 'short dick club' demand those with big dicks to cut their own dicks off in order to be bring down to our level". That's why collectivist are resentful idiots who never achieve anything that sustains in time.
@p@Zerglingman@amerika@eidolon@mint oh i meant about pair bonding. of course the cia is a legitimate and well-functioning instrument of the American people and i fully support their actions please don't arrest me for "facts" you just discovered