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   leyrer (leyrer@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 09:47:06 JST leyrer

   How Microsoft and Google are killing federated Email. One domain at a time.
   Exhibit 7826 ...

   Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from @tutanota.com Domain as Spam.
   https://tuta.com/blog/outlook-falsely-marks-tutanota-emails-as-junk

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 09:47:04 JST clacke

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     @leyrer But a guy in a comment thread said it's easy to run your own email server and he never had any issues!

     /s

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     erebion (erebion@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 11:00:22 JST erebion

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     @clacke @leyrer Actually, I want to find out what's really true. So far sending works, now I just need to implement receiving and change some DNS records.

     I'll gladly take advice about common hurdles and pitfalls and also links where people talk about this.

     I later want to document how to set it all up in a simple way, without an overly complicated setup.

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     Deborah (gnomicutterance@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 20:48:13 JST Deborah

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     @erebion @clacke @leyrer I run a server that's provided email to ~15 people for >20 years. The answer is if you do everything right with DKIM, SPF, & DMARC, & never allow spam or bulk email or relaying ever, & you are very *very* lucky, you will only have to open a ticket with microsoft to unblock your domain about 3 times a year, and *most* of your users' important email will deliver to gmail users.

     It's hell & it's gotten worse. MS & Google don't care about deliverability from small fry.

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     Henryk Plötz (henryk@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 20:54:05 JST Henryk Plötz

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     • erebion

     @gnomicutterance @erebion @clacke @leyrer I found this very instructive when I had my first deliverability problem ~10 years ago. They had an ostensibly helpful postmaster contact page, but the first question was how many mails I was trying to deliver. Possible options: 100k, 500k, 1M, or more.

     I was like "No, I'm *not* a spammer, I just want to send like three mails a month to someone I know who happens to be your customer."

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     erebion (erebion@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 20:54:09 JST erebion

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     • Henryk Plötz

     @henryk @gnomicutterance @clacke @leyrer Digital Markets Act... Now people could just make sure they get a hefty fine.

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     Tuta (tutanota@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 20:54:10 JST Tuta

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     @leyrer Thanks for bringing attention to this important topic. We need to fight for our rights! ✊

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     Deborah (gnomicutterance@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 22:02:52 JST Deborah

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     @henryk @erebion @clacke @leyrer Yeah, my server has such a small volume that we don’t even turn up a report on my Google postmaster administration page. I can’t use it because our volume is too low.

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     Deborah (gnomicutterance@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 10:27:08 JST Deborah

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     @joeyh @erebion @clacke @leyrer

     MS also uses UCEPROTECT as an RBL. UCEPROTECT is a blackmail scam. It lists every Linode & DigitalOcean IP as a spammer, regardless of whether *your* IP has ever sent spam, & offers to de-list you (regardless of behavior) for 89 CHF (about $100).

     No reputable email service should use UCEPROTECT but MS does & won't explain why.

     https://blog.sucuri.net/2021/02/uceprotect-when-rbls-go-bad.html#uceprotect-scam

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     see shy jo (joeyh@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 10:27:09 JST see shy jo

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     • erebion

     @gnomicutterance @erebion @clacke @leyrer can confirm. 3 times a year MS blocks for no reason and unblocks when I escalate to my VPS hosting provider.

     I am going to just recipercate and bounce all mail I receive from them though.

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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 10:27:13 JST LisPi

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     @gnomicutterance @leyrer @clacke @erebion It's almost like monopolists shouldn't be allowed to run commercial email services.
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